obviously some sort of a scam going on,
the cancer, the money, and I had no idea
how deep it was. And I've been in touch
with the FBI the entire time. People,
for some reason, believed that she was
not a criminal. Yeah.
>> Until these charges came.
>> Hey you guys, typically we jump right
into the story, but for this you would
need a little bit of background
information. So few years ago, there was
a a woman known as the cupcake lady who
went viral. In the video, she explains
that she is a single divorced mother
who's home alone making cupcakes and
she's crying. And it it was it was a a
very sad video that immediately went
viral and people got behind her and they
just, you know, their hearts poured out
to her and we then interviewed her
supposed ex-husband,
which wasn't her ex-husband at the time.
And it turns out she is a career
fraudster who has run numerous scams and
was recently indicted on two counts of
wire fraud. And we are interviewing her
former friend and a defense and she's
also a defense attorney who's going to
lay out the entire story for us and
explain exactly what's going on with
Elizabeth. We met back in
May of 2022 and I had just gotten
divorced. I got divorced and I had gone
through a very public relationship with
somebody that lived far away who was
also a Tik Tocker because I had
previously had a very large platform of
almost a million followers. So, I was
very unwell and I received a message one
day from who I believed at the time was
Elizabeth's mom, Trish. I've only
recently learned I for this whole time
I've always thought it was her and I
just have recently learned that it was
not Trish. It was actually Liz
pretending to be her. And I've I swore
I'd even asked her mom when I would meet
her because I've met her whole family.
Everyone, even though they've all been
killed 27 times, but her mom basically
messages me and she's like, "My
daughter's going through a very very
similar period of her life that you are.
You know, divorced and then your first
post divorce breakup." You know, I say
that one always hurts like whether you
like them or not. I don't know why. But
she was like, "And she's also moving
into the apartment building across the
street from you." She followed me on
TikTok allegedly. So I was like, "You
know what? Making friends is hard. Why
not? I feel bad for the girl. It's like
almost it's her birthday week, she told
me. And she doesn't have a lot of
friends." And again, I was like,
>> week,
>> I mean, so at the time I thought it was
her birthday, but in hindsight, now that
I've gone back and done my research, as
I've like tried to put all the pieces
together, I have realized that it was a
couple days before her birthday, which
is not that important, but all these
things every single year happen on her
birthday. So, it's kind of like a weird
little twist. So, I ended up meeting up
with her that night and from the very
minute I met her. It was just putting
this story on me. So, I'll just give you
an example. We met up at a bar over in
Sparkman Warf and she had a phone. This
blocked number is calling her non-stop.
Nonstop. I'm like, "Dude, what is that?
What's going on?"
>> Right?
>> She's like, "Well, you know, I'm I just
got divorced. I, you know, I'm the
survivor of domestic violence and that's
definitely my ex-husband, but I have a
restraining order against him. I'm like,
girl, let me pick up that phone. I was
like, I'm a lawyer. Like, let me pick it
up. This is not okay. She's like, no,
it's fine.
>> So, from the very outset, it was just
like in ingrained in my brain that this
woman was
had a story, right? So, you know, the
empathy and I was I'm a massive empath.
>> So, we became friends after that. We
spent a couple of hours just talking
that night. She told me about her kids.
She told me about like just where she
was at. that she was moving into Kora
and then I introduced her to my sister
who's a couple years younger than me and
we became pretty quick friends because
there was a lot of shifts in the world.
It was like when Row versus Wade got
overturned so we did a couple of like
marches like in downtown Tampa and she
helped us kind of plan those. We
introduced her to our whole group of
friends, um, a lot of my friends from
law school. And yeah,
for one, I mean, I guess for my benefit,
she actually ended up meeting a guy
named Barat shortly after that, and she
started dating him, which he was a
little bit older, and she just kind of
was very focused on that. In hindsight,
I think that obviously I can recognize
why, but she was very much, not that she
would isolate herself and him, but she
did not really want to hang out with him
if we were around. So, I was like, you
do you. It's all good. I was very much
in my own social media world at the time
and it was all good. I didn't see her
again from June of 2022 until Christmas
Day. So, it was months, but it's not
like we didn't talk. We saw each other.
I mean, we would communicate pretty
often, but we just didn't see each other
or hang out.
>> You're like text friends.
>> Yeah. It was kind of like whatever. Like
our paths just didn't kind of line up.
At the time, though, she had already
told me that she was already divorced,
that she had full custody of all of her
kids, all this stuff. So it's just like
I was like whatever.
>> And she made She didn't make the video
yet though.
>> No. So this is two years before. Like
it's there's so much before it which is
even crazier. She and I actually stopped
being friends.
>> Okay.
>> For a period of time. So I had met all
of her kids though. Loved them all. Like
truly like I had photos with them. Out
with them all the time. So fast forward
um Christmas, we see her out to dinner
at meat market. And she just looked
different. She looked like ill like
dark. She had she had dyed her hair
dark. She had definitely gained a little
bit of weight. And at the time she told
us that she was on depression
medication. And I was like, "Oh." I was
like, "Well, if you need a friend, like,
I'm here. Like, I'm here for you." Blah
blah blah blah. Fast forward a couple of
days, I end up in my own little isolated
event that put me in a position that
made me even more vulnerable when I got
back to the States. Um, that she just
totally like honed in on me. So, when I
got back, she and her boyfriend broke
up, ironically, and we got really close.
So, during the year of 2023 is when my
sister, her and I hung out a lot. Um
there was so May of 2023 is when things
got a little bit questionable. So there
was never like there was nothing on the
internet about her because nothing had
ever happened. She would never post that
she was with me. She was never somebody
that was like obviously using me because
I had I mean I had deleted my TikTok at
that point in time as of February of
2023. But before that I had almost a
million followers. So she would tell me
she's like I don't ever post that I'm at
your house. I just don't want ever you
to ever think that I am using you for
that. And I was like, I appreciate that,
but I don't really care if you want to
use me. That's fine. It doesn't bother
me.
>> Um, so May 16th,
>> what use you in what way? Cuz you had a
following.
>> Yeah. And I, you know, there's always
like this little bit of like a hint that
I felt like she wanted to be famous. I
don't know. She was very much actively
posting things for who?
>> She had no no followers. Yeah.
>> She was obsessed with posting things
online. And I was like, I love her. I'm
like the confidence. I was like, I want
it. Like I was jealous, honestly. And
she just was a very likable person. And
yeah, I met her mom, I met her sister, I
met her brother, I met their whole
family and my sister as well and my
sister's fiance at the time. So, we were
just like very very close friends. And
then May 16th came and that was the day
that I received an email from my law
partners. I had been traveling for work
and I got home that night
and keep in mind my secretary at the
time was an expd officer. So, she had
started working for us when she stopped
being an officer. So, she's pretty
smart. like she's she just knows her
[ __ ] So, they had gotten a phone call
that day from a bank. A bank had a
customer who had taken out several large
increments of money around $10,000 each,
so at least five at this point in time.
And he was basically telling them that
it was for a woman who was represented
by an attorney named Rachel Ree.
So, of course, the bank was like, "We
are worried. This is not like it's just
kind of a weird situation. So, we want
you to call and confirm that that is
what is true. So, he ends up calling he
and the bank called my law firm.
>> Is she taking out money from your
account?
>> No. So, this is a man named Richard
Powell.
>> Okay.
>> Who's [clears throat] whose account she
he he's cash he's he's cashing checks
and
>> he's taking money out of out of his
account.
>> Out of his account.
>> So, basically, let me So, I didn't know
this at the time, but in order for like
the context, it won't make sense
otherwise, but he had basically met this
man. He's a Tampa native. He had met Liz
um at 4B in Hide Park I think in April.
She had told him that she had terminal
cancer.
I had no I didn't know about any of this
>> the cancer but the fact that if you know
the whole story then you realize like
wow like there's you know there's
>> there's no bottom
>> there's no bottom [laughter] the bottom
is hell. I'm sorry. It is
>> there's I have to laugh.
>> There is nothing that is out of Yeah.
out of the range of possibility for her.
>> So obviously I didn't know this at the
time. Like I didn't know that she had
was faking cancer. I didn't know that
until she confessed it to me, but like
years later. So this man's like giving
her money, thinking that he's helping
this woman save her life.
>> Oh, so okay. So what he's doing, he's
going into the bank and he's removing
money, his money. And so because this is
something that bank tellers are bank
tellers are trained to stop people from
taking money or at least inquire about
it because a lot of times 70-year-old
you know widowers will come in and say I
need $8,000 and they'll get eight grand
and they'll come in and say
>> $9,99 then they need 9500 then they and
and what's happened in the past is that
banks will just continue to give it to
them. Why? Because they've got a million
dollars in the bank. like this is their
money. But the problem is that some so
many people get scammed, the banks end
up getting sued. And so now they train
the tellers to to at least inquire
what's going on and ask them questions
because there's so many scammers that
will say
>> so many,
>> right? Go to the bank, get out $10,000
or $5,000 and then go buy, you know,
these Walmart, you know,
>> the gift cards and stuff like that. It's
crazy.
>> And give me the number. And then they
drain the account. So they're getting
scammed, but they don't know it. They
think they're paying the IRS or they
think they're paying some kind of a a
social security fine super innocent like
>> something silly. But so now they
inquire. So they what was happening is
they they were inquiring why are you
taking out this money?
>> Yep. And they wanted to verify that I
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>> Whoa. And so when you heard that,
>> well, I wasn't even at my office. I was
actually on the road, but my old
assistant, her name is Janette, and I
It's funny though because what ends up
happening later this day, but she
basically talks to him on the phone and
she's like, "Sir,
>> with all the respect in the world, you
are being scammed. We do not Rachel
Reese represents people that are in
prison,
>> right?
>> She only has a handful of clients that
are women. this woman that you're
because she he sent her a screen like a
photo of her.
>> She had sent him a selfie that day,
>> right?
>> Which was like the creepiest thing
because when I got home and I learned
all this, I'm like,
>> "This is the outfit she was wearing
today. I checked on her Instagram and I
was pissed." I'm like, "Oh, this is like
a legit this is like a legit picture she
sent to him,
>> right?"
>> So
Janette's like talking to him again.
She's TPD. So she like knows kind of
exactly what to ask him and she's like
talking to him off the ledge and she's
like, "Okay, listen. You need to not
give her any more money. We do not
represent this girl. I'm going to get to
the bottom of it." Mhm.
>> So, in the meantime though, he explains
to her that he met up with Elizabeth and
another woman, me, which was not me,
someone impersonating me, in a parking
lot in a parking lot.
>> And the woman was like not close like
you and me. She was across the parking
lot, but just enough that like you could
wave and it might look like me,
>> right?
>> So, when Janette asked him, you know,
who did you meet up with? Can you show
show me a picture? He sent a picture of
me from my firm's website at the time.
Like, it was my my professional photo,
>> right?
>> Which I didn't have any tattoos back
then. And so like maybe that was like I
mean I did but not as many as I do now.
I don't know. Sometimes I'm like maybe
that would have made a difference but
probably not. So fast forward to that
night. So they're like all emailing each
other back and forth. My two law
partners and then my assistant and then
our secretary. I get home from work cuz
I was traveling to Jacksonville or
something for one of my court hearings.
I get back it's like at night. I'm
going through my emails. I'm like what
is this? I'm like what are these emails?
I'm like why is there a picture of Liz
in my email? Like this is weird as [ __ ]
>> Yeah. None of these people should know
her.
>> No. So, I called Janette and I, for
whatever reason, I was going through
something else that was making me
question my entire life. So, I was like,
I'm going to record this. I don't know
why I recorded it on my laptop or on my
computer. So, it was a video. I will
never share that video with anyone on
this planet because I look so unwell
because I'm freaking out. I'm like, what
is happening here right now? So, she's
telling me the whole story and while
she's telling me, I'm texting Liz. I'm
like, what the actual f have you done?
Like, what did you do? Did you do this?
Who's this guy? So, she immediately
comes back and she's like, "I am so
sorry." She like confesses everything to
me in a message. She's like, "I'm so
sorry. I needed to put pressure on
Andrew's uncle, my ex-husband's uncle,
Richard, because he owes me money from
when we used to work at the eye at the
optometry
office before,
>> right?"
>> Which is a very legitimate excuse and a
very legitimate reason because I did
know that she had worked there before.
Obviously, we've been friends for a year
at this point,
>> right? I'm assuming that Richard is not
his uncle.
>> No.
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. I love Richard.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> He's a 78-year-old wonderful human now.
[snorts]
>> He's like a vulnerable. He's in a
vulnerable state
>> and he's so smart. Like that's the one
thing about Liz. I will give it to her.
She's she's good.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't want to give her credit cuz she
gets smart people. So, here's the
problem with with what you're about to
say is that I I think you're about to
say that, you know, people get scammed
and so people naturally think, "Oh,
they're stupid or they're gullible or
they're" But the truth is, it is much
easier to scam someone that's
intelligent than it is someone who's
stupid. Someone who's dumb and knows
they're not that sharp will question
everything. So, you give a reasonable
story to an intelligent person, they
will think, "Okay, all of that makes
sense." not realizing it's like me
saying, "Hey, I'm going I need you to
give me money to invest in, you know,
SpaceX cuz I have the in on a from a guy
who's already acquired the rights to buy
a ton of stock. So, if you give it to me
when it shoots up, when it goes when the
IPM goes, it's going to shoot up." And
so, if you're, you know, and we're going
to we're going to cash in on that. And
>> that's such a great idea,
>> right? And a smart guy is going to be
like, "Fuck, like, what a great in. I
get it. It makes sense." What he doesn't
realize is that's a complete lie. I
don't have an end. You're just handing
me your money.
>> Yep. But like a nonsense smart guy would
be like, I don't have that kind of
money, so I need to make sure that I'm
like double checking everything.
>> Well, I don't understand. Well, how do
you know this? Is this okay? Is this
legal? How come? How come you He's going
to ask so many questions he's going to
talk himself out of. It's never going to
happen. So,
>> and it happens all the time. All the
time. And but people think it's the
victim's fault. He's an idiot. No. And
this guy's 78 years old. The older you
get, the more vulnerable, the more kind
of, [clears throat] you know, I I don't
want to say foolish, but maybe gullible
is probably not the best word. You just
are more trusting the older you go cuz
you feel like I'm older, people are
going people for some reason think that
when you're older,
>> younger people are going to somehow or
another take care of you or help you or
look out for you. And that's not the
case.
>> And then you have a woman that's saying
that she's terminal. She has four
children. You're like, "Oh my god, I'm
supposed to die before her. I need to
help her." Right?
>> That's like the mentality. You're not
thinking that people are just going to
like use you and lie to you. Like that's
just not like your first, at least from
my perspective, it's not the first thing
I'm questioning somebody because as time
went on, obviously I did start to
question things, but there was always a
justification. There was always a
receipt or an excuse or some
this is always explained, right?
>> So, it took me a long time to kind of
come to the full fruition of things.
>> So, she explains
>> So, she explains it. And what's
interesting though, she keeps calling
me. She keeps calling me. I'm like,
"Stop calling me. I'm on the phone with
Janette. Like, please stop. I'm trying
to figure this out. So, what she ends up
doing though is she's on the phone with
him and she sends me a screenshot of his
like, you know, when you take a
screenshot of your phone, it'll say like
the contact, right?
>> She sends me the contact photo with his
name on it and she goes, "We're trying
to call you so he can explain to you
what's going on."
>> Which honestly, in hindsight, I would
love to ask him. I probably will ask him
cuz I never have cuz I do know him now.
>> Um, but so I didn't answer that. But
what I did though later on that year, I
was so weirded out by it that I took
screenshots of all of our messages from
that day,
>> right?
>> Because I just thought it was like the
weirdest situation. And as things as the
next couple months kind of transpired,
so things just got weirder, but that was
basically it that day. I just was like,
"Don't ever do that again. Why would you
jeopardize my career?" She's like, "I'm
so sorry. It'll never happen again.
Never told me who it was that she was
with, etc."
>> But it makes sense. So So far it makes
it makes sense.
>> Yeah. And for a long time, I thought she
had sought me up because I was an
attorney and she wanted like somebody
like that because she had pretended to
be them in the past. Um, but so fast
forward to August, that's May. Fast
forward to August, everything was fine.
May, June, July, I'm not going to lie,
we were living. We were living. I had
just gotten back from the Bahamas. I had
my own bills and my own debt. She was
like, she never asked me for a single
dollar. Never. My sister either. And our
family, we're not poor,
>> right?
>> I'm not rich at all. I'm I am poor, but
my family's not.
>> Right. And that's kind of a common
scheme with her. But she never once
asked us for anything. She took us on
yachts. She took us to gallas, parties,
limos. We were like, honestly, it was a
crazy summer. It was weird because where
I'm from though.
>> So she she's taking
>> Oh, yeah. So she's living well.
>> Yeah, because she had actually hacked
into his bank account and was using his
entire retirement.
>> Oh, this is Richard's.
>> Yes. She
my understanding is that she had created
a username for herself and he did not
know.
>> So she gets arrested though in in
August. So Andrew, this is actually
really one of those interesting moments
because she had kind of put the bug in
my ear in the very very beginning of our
friendship. She says, "Oh my god,
there's this one outstanding situation."
I was like, "What?" She's like, "As a
lawyer, maybe you can understand." She's
like, "My ex-husband and I were going
through our divorce and we shared a bank
account." And I was like, "Okay." and
she had taken a $10,000 check out of
that bank account and put it into her
new account. Well, sure as [ __ ] it was
not her bank account anymore. It was
only Andrew's account. She had stolen
$10,000. So, he had reported it in like
April of that same year, but they didn't
actually arrest her until August.
>> And it's interesting now because I've
seen the body cam footage after the
fact.
>> But she calls me that day and she's
like,
>> she makes it seem like I'm the first
person she calls,
>> right?
>> She was like 2 hours into it, right?
>> She called Ric Flair first. She called
all these other people. She calls
the sheriff like, "Oh yeah, I introduced
them. We were neighbors in my apartment
building." But she told everyone that
was her uncle.
>> My wife knows Ric Flair. My wife
>> I got his number
>> has taken So does she. She'll call
[snorts] him all the time. So she used
to take him out on his boat.
>> So did Liz.
>> Um Yeah. But my my wife's a a captain
and she was a she would be the like
she'd work. So you have to take like two
people.
>> What if she took Liz out on that boat
that summer?
>> Wow.
>> I'm not kidding. Because they they took
his boat out all the time.
>> Yeah. She takes out and then they go to
this bar and they all have they all
drink at the bar.
>> He drinks a lot.
>> Wait, I know.
>> Yeah. And then he was always I didn't
know who he was.
>> He was all Are you serious?
>> No, I sat next to him at the bar outside
of our apartment and he paid for my
dinner and I just sat there for like 2
hours and my friends walked up. They're
like,
>> "That's Rick."
>> I was like, "Who's that?" My I called my
dad. He's like, "Are you kidding me?"
And some of our good friends after that.
He's a little crazy, but I like him.
>> Well, she was, you know, Jess would
they'd be out and there'd be captain.
She wouldn't be captaining. She'd be
like the first M. And because it's, you
know, small, but you need two people and
you need somebody to kind of help get
the stuff and stuff and he likes that,
right? Like he wants to be pampered. But
she's like, she'd be texting me. She's
like, "You have no idea how young these
girls are that are on the play." She's
like, "She was on one of those.
>> There's two like like they can't be more
than 25 years old. He's like 70s
something. She's with two 25 year olds."
And she's like, she's like, "I mean, how
much medication is this guy on? Like he
can't really be having sex with you."
She'd come over. She'd be like, "Do you
think he's having sex with these girls?"
And I'm like, I'm sure he's having it.
She's like, how much medication is it?
How good is that medication?
>> All I know is that it's got to be
>> my building in my building. He had quite
the reputation for um photographs, but
that's just
>> he's insane.
>> There was multiple times though where
she invited us on his boat and I I like
couldn't go for some reason.
>> The only times I went on a boat was when
she actually paid for like a yacht and a
captain,
>> right?
>> Entirely separate. I'm like, "How much
did this cost?"
>> And I've seen the bank statements now.
I've seen the bank statements now and
it's disgusting. How much did this cost
Richard?
>> A million dollars.
>> Yeah. Oh jeez.
>> So August 15th, around August 15th, she
was arrested. It's
>> the same day as the Beyonce concert. I
only know this [clears throat] because I
wasn't invited. Like she had like
different groups of friends. That's what
she did.
>> She did it because she wanted to keep us
all separate enough that we could not
get to know each other,
>> right?
>> She even pinned my sister and I against
each other. Like she would tell us
different things and would try to get us
to fight. It was very, very bizarre cuz
we were the closest about anybody. Um,
so she gets arrested. I help her. She's
like, "Can you help me get a bondsman? I
need to bail out. I have cash." I'm
like, "Sure. I've got a guy, whatever."
So I call her our bail guy and he goes
over there and I was like, "How'd it
go?" And he's like, "Oh, the guy was
really nice." I go, "What guy?" The guy
was really nice. He's like, "Yeah,
there's an older gentleman that I met
there with cash."
So, I don't really think many I don't
think anything of it at the time. About
a month later, though, I get a call from
a friend of mine who's a lawyer who had
really questioned my friendship with
this girl. She was like, "Rachel, I'm a
family lawyer. I've looked up her
records online. She's not being honest
about her kids or her living situation.
She's been evicted like 10 times." I'm
like, "That's weird." But I just again I
was like, "Not
>> not Elizabeth. Not Elizabeth.
>> She How would she get evicted? We were
just on a yacht.
>> She never paid a dime to Cora.
>> I couldn't I still can't wrap my head
around that." But
>> I don't know how people get they they
get so far into somebody like like how
much work are you doing? Like you're
you're 5,000 10,000 20,000. This per
this person you've been working for 2
months. They paid you nothing.
>> You have no idea. Like things I know. I
[clears throat] hate it. I hate I hate
all the knowledge I have, but it's
knowledge is power, I guess. So about a
month later, I get a call from my
friend.
>> Well, who was who was the guy that
showed up with the cash? Richard.
>> Richard. But I didn't know at the time.
I didn't know at the time until this
phone call.
>> Okay.
>> My friend Cara calls me and she's like,
"You need to go on the clerk's page and
look at the docket for Liz's case." cuz
she was we all believed that it was her
first time and she was probably going to
get free trial diversion which means
like you do your community service you
pay some money
>> I know
>> which probably means you get money from
somebody else right
>> and uh yeah you get it to go away
>> and I can't remember who she hired but I
was like oh makes sense like perfect so
this email though is law is actually
uploaded onto the clerk's website and
it's an email from Richard Powell's son
it's an email to the judge and it
basically says my father I do believe my
father is the victim of a million dollar
scam
of a fraudulent scheme by this woman
>> separate from this check, but I'm very
concerned and I'm trying to get somebody
to talk to me because law enforcement
won't.
>> So, at the time, of course, that's a
little bit eerie, but I don't really
think much of it because I was given an
ultimatum by my law partners. They said,
"You cannot be friends with this girl
anymore,
>> right?
>> There's just too much weird [ __ ] going
on and we cannot have you wrapped up in
it." I had had my own stuff going on
earlier and so I was like, "Bar, I get
it." I was like, "I'm not going to even
try to like challenge you on that." And
honestly, we kind of had like our own
issues at that time because it's kind of
a separate story, but I was being
catfished and she was very like involved
with that and like just made me feel
really shitty. And so I finally I was
like, I can't do deal with both of these
untrustworthy people. So one of you guys
to go,
>> right?
>> The smart thing would have been to get
rid of all of them. But I just was like
whatever. So October the 5th, we stopped
being friends. Well, I ended up leaving
my firm literally like a day later.
>> Okay.
>> Um we'll call it a voluntary
resignation, if you will. and I started
my own firm. Um, so I was not friends
with her. I did not speak with her from
October the 5th until March 24th. And
the only reason I know that is cuz my my
aunt died. I actually did speak to
Andrew one time, her ex-husband, cuz I
hated him. Oh, I thought he was the
devil. I thought that he like the things
I had heard,
>> right?
>> And what I had seen is like they would
he would scream at her in front of their
in front of the kids. And I just thought
that was just like ick. So fast forward
to March, my sister did stay friends
with her. like they were not good
friends, but they went to a couple
events together and I just kind of like
kept my tabs on her cuz I just like
worried about my sister a lot. And
Liz told her stuff though different than
me. Like they would talk about all the
stuff Liz would say that she was a sugar
baby. Like she always had a reason that
she had money so it wasn't like weird.
She said her family had a lot of money
and our family had money. So it wasn't
like this abnormal thing that we were
like not used to.
>> Um so my aunt ended up passing away very
suddenly in February and we went home
for her um her service in March.
And I was getting ready for her service
and I told my sister, I go, "Life is too
short. I want to go back to church.
Like, I really want to like figure out
where I'm at." I was like, "I got to get
rid of my own catfish situation. I got
to move on with my life." Like, that's
what my aunt would have wanted. I go,
"But I can't go to church cuz Liz goes
to my church." And she's like, "Why
don't you just text her?"
>> Yeah.
>> Just squash it. Life is short, right?
So, I did texted her March 24th. Um, we
did not end up seeing her, I think,
until like the beginning of May. It was
before her birthday cuz her birthday is
when she posted the video, the cupcake
video.
>> Okay. So, we were already friends again.
At that point, I was very wary at first.
Like, I was like, "All right." But it
was like kind of like, you know, you see
an old friend. It was no time had passed
at all.
About a week later, the cupcake, the
crying cupcake lady video takes off. And
again, I still did not have Tik Tok
until July of that year. So, I'm like
learning all this secondhand. Like, I
didn't have for you page anymore. I had
been off of social media off of Tik Tok
anyway since February of the year before
that until July of that year. So, the
video starts going viral and my sister
starts telling me about it and I'm like,
it was like it's the most viral video
that I've ever seen on anybody's page,
honestly. And what was so weird to me is
all these news articles were picking it
up and I swear to you that she called
them. [clears throat] I swear that she
was out there doing her own little PR
like, "Hey, like interview me." And I
asked her point blank. I said, "Are you
sure you want this kind of publicity?" I
go, "As somebody that's been there and
like I've had my like ass shown to the
world, are you sure you want this this
spotlight?" And she was like, "I've
always wanted the spotlight." And I was
like, "Bet makes sense." Um,
so after that video goes viral, she
starts to get she starts to get threats.
She's living in a house that she paid
for with cash from Richard's bank
account at this point in time. Not
owned, just renting.
>> She gets evicted, but what she tells us
is that she doesn't she says, "I'm
getting threats here from online
stalkers and from Andrew." Because
>> Andrew posts, she posts her video,
Andrew posts his video, and then the
inventing Elizabeth story like starts
and it gets created.
really quick. Um, just for people who
don't have context, can you kind of
explain what her video was, what it
said, and what Andrew, you know, came
out and said?
>> So, Liz is a mom as a quote unquote
single mom of four kids. She's got three
baby daddies. I thought one of them was
dead. She told us that the oldest one,
her oldest son, that his father had
died. That's not true. Um, she had told
us that her do her oldest daughter's
husband or the oldest daughter's dad was
a dead beat. not true. Love him like
become become good friends with him
since and then the two youngest she had
with Andrew. What is interesting and
what we learn later on is that she
doesn't claim those two for a lot to a
lot of people. She actually says that
she was married that Andrew had an
affair with a stripper and the stripper
had these two little girls and she
adopted them. Like she told her best she
told our best friend.
She didn't believe me until I showed her
the birth certificates. I'd get them
from Andrew. So, she makes this video
for her birthday and she's crying in her
kitchen. She has like I can remember the
kitchen like it was yesterday because we
spent a lot of time there. But she's
making either cupcakes. I think it was
cupcakes. It wasn't a cake,
>> but she was making cupcakes. And on the
on the on the screen though, the font it
says like the text says like making a
cake for myself because there was a lot
of like
>> drama about Oh, you said cake but it was
cupcakes. Like it was something so
silly.
>> Yeah.
>> But people were just making fun of her
because you set up the camera to cry.
But the moms on this app really just
bought into it because they could
understand. They could relate. And she
was like, "I didn't want my kids to
celebrate. I wanted to give them a
reason to help me celebrate my birthday.
And they can't bake me these things. So,
I had to bake them for myself." So,
she's crying in the kitchen.
So, of course, she starts getting a
following. It was like 100,000 followers
so fast.
>> So, then Andrew makes a video, and I
don't know the timing of it. It was
maybe a little bit after that, but he
basically is like, "Yeah, no. This woman
is full of [ __ ] This woman is a con
artist. She is a liar. I have all the
evidence and I'm going to start a series
called Inventing Elizabeth, like
inventing Anna. And I'm going to show
you guys. And this time I'm like, "This
guy is an an insane human." I'm like,
I'm thinking that he's a psychopath. She
convinces me. I've got more screen
recordings of Andrew on my phone than I
would ever care to admit because that's
what she does. She lets other people do
the work for her,
>> right?
>> So, he starts the series and he was not
a good storyteller. I talk [ __ ] to him
all the I'm like, "Andrew, your delivery
was awful."
>> It's why nobody really wanted to listen
to you.
>> He wasn't great on the podcast here
either. I was like pulling teeth to get
him to explain things.
>> I mean, I was watching I was watching
again. He's like so like
>> he just knows so much. I like listen to
him sometimes. I'm like, "How do you
remember what she was wearing on this
day at this time?" Like, that's a little
bit weird.
>> I listen, he's a he's a he's a very nice
guy. He's a lovable guy, but he's you
know,
>> he's quirky. I like him. I like I I I
stay friends with them all because of
the kids,
>> right? cuz I know I hope one day that
Liz goes to prison and I want them to
have somebody in their life that can be
some level of a role model or at least
be there for them. So, I don't know.
Probably stupid, but that's just what my
brain's always told me. So,
>> so he puts out his video, he starts this
series.
>> That's a series. And Liz goes hard into
the domestic violence. She's like, "Oh,
you want to know why he's doing this to
me? Cuz I'm a domestic violence
survivor. This man, I've had this many
injunctions." I think she's had like
eight now.
>> None have been granted, right? all have
been denied or dismissed. I testified in
one of them, which I'm going to get to
that in a moment. So, at this point
though, she's been stalked. She's been
harassed by Andrew and his followers.
And so, she has to move. She has to
leave this gorgeous house and move in.
>> But really, she's being evicted.
>> She's being evicted. Like,
>> no, you you're just time is up. So, she
moves in with our friend McKay.
>> May is one of the victims in this case
that is really hard for I think a lot of
people to recognize because it was so
fast. It was She had just gotten
divorced. That's Liz's MMO. She has a
very she has a type divorced, really
emotionally fragile, and McKay's family
had money. May didn't necessarily
herself, but her family did. Her parents
did.
>> So May's I'll just give you the little
bit of a jump ahead. She goes bankrupt.
Liz spends over $400,000 of her money.
>> How does she get to like how do you how
how do you how do you have access to
someone's to to be able to drain them?
Is it start first with I need a loan.
I'll pay you back next week. Or is it
just that your banking information is
lying around the house and she's
swiping?
>> This is knowing. This was like a no.
This wasn't even like a swipe. This was
like agreeing to allow her to use this
stuff. So, what's So, I didn't know
McKay at first. So, I ended up meeting
her shortly after that. And what's
really incredibly messed up about the
story is Liz was actually catfishing
McKay this whole time.
>> She was pretending to be a guy named
Marcus, her cousin.
>> Okay. and they fell in love
over a year.
>> Okay.
>> So, they would be they were living
together. So, it was Liz and her two
oldest children cuz she does not have
custody of her youngest two. She gave
them away.
>> She said, "If you get rid of your social
media, Andrew, I will give you the
girls,
>> okay,
>> to some degree." And so, he's like,
"Okay." And so, she gave he didn't get
rid of his social media. So, okay. So,
she has not seen her little girls in I
think 3 years now. She hasn't even
tried. So almost the whole time I knew
her, but she would tell everyone that
she was actively trying to get the
custody back, which was not true at all
because she'd have to take a psych
evaluation,
>> right?
>> I don't think she wants to do that. I
don't know how I don't know. I can't
speculate, but I just would find that
very interesting. So
it was McKay, her two kids, and Liz. And
May kind of took on the role as like a
second parent. Like she really like she
loved these kids so much and she took
care of them because I think there's a
lot of times that Liz would leave the
house and May didn't really know where
she was. But we would go over there
every week for dinner. We spent a lot of
time together. They lived over in Eore
so it wasn't that far away from my
office. My sister was not in school or
know wasn't working. She was my sister's
an artist so she was like I'm always
free and so we would all meet up
whenever we could and we all got very
very close the four of us. What's
interesting though is the stories that
May was told are very different from
what we knew. My sister and I were not
really lied to a lot about the f like
the family dynamics. Like we were never
told like family members died. May was
told that Liz's dad was in the cartel.
>> [snorts and clears throat]
>> What?
>> It's like I'm like
>> like the Mex a Mexican drug cartel,
>> which is fine.
>> Is she Mexican?
>> It's It's ironic because I have clients
that like actually are connected and so
for me I'm like she would never have
thought to say that to me. She knows I
would have been like
>> but is she Mexican?
>> No.
>> I mean she's to me she looks like a an
Anglo blonde hair, blue eyes or brown
hair, whatever.
>> She's got red hair now.
>> Oh now she's
>> deep red. But no. So, but again, I think
I have no idea what conversations they
had, but they were very close. I mean,
they spent every minute of every day
together. She convinces May to quit her
job. They start a podcast together and
they hire a producer. They can't they
can't pay him eventually. So, he ends up
suing her and that's part of the story.
Um, but long story short, McKay just
starts letting her everything they're
putting it on. She pays for their cell
phones, everything. And she would use
Marcus as like the guy. She would use
him as a tool to kind of keep her close.
Um, and she would say, "Marcus needs
your help. Marcus is running from the
cartel."
I love McKay. Like, we're very good
friends still. Thank God. I truly
thought we had lost her for a while.
>> So, let me get this straight. So,
Elizabeth, so McKay,
>> yes.
>> McKay has never met this guy.
>> Never.
>> That is really Elizabeth.
>> Never spoken to him on the phone. So,
Elizabeth is they're communicating
somehow through text or messenger,
whatever, Instagram. So, they're
communicating. So, she's a So, if McKay
complains about any situation, she's
able to use
>> Mhm.
>> Marcus
>> Y
>> Marcus to then support Elizabeth's
position.
>> Yep. Just like just like her
impersonating me.
>> Yeah. So,
>> the lawyer supported her position that
she was reputable and she had cancer.
She needed this money. She's tag teaming
everybody.
>> Elizabeth thinks we should start a
podcast, but I'm the only one that has
the money to be able to buy the
equipment and hire the producer.
Elizabeth can't contribute at all, but
she does have a good story and a
following. What do you think I should
do? I'm really not sure. Oh my god, what
a great opportunity.
>> I love that for you.
>> That's so great. You can't pass this by.
>> And Marcus is a doctor. And Marcus is a
doctor and also has a private plane,
which honestly in hindsight, what the we
were like what? So, here's here's what's
funny about this is that
my my wife has a friend whose husband
was a professor for
20 years and owns a um owns a company
that does uh he's a a marine mechanic
company like he's got few houses like
he's got a condo on the beach like he's
got money he's intelligent he's a smart
guy I've met him many times times. Very
sharp guy.
He believes that he is dating Jennifer
Anderson.
>> No. No.
>> And has sent her money.
She's having some She's having some
problems with the IRS. Okay.
>> How is she having money?
>> They've seized they've frozen several
bank accounts. She has some issues.
There's no information out there about
this. That's correct.
>> She just needs a little bit of of money
right now. and she needs some guy in
Florida that she's been dating for six
months that he's never talked to on the
phone, never met her, and every time
that he's about to fly up to New York to
see her, every time
>> cancel something comes up.
>> Things come up course, okay? Don't be so
judgmental. Listen, I was I was catfish
for 20 years. Okay, I have no room to
speak.
>> Then he has to fly to LA, but that won't
happen for about 3 weeks cuz she's she's
deep in this this whole litigation
thing. And so, but she, by the way, she
needs some more money. Um, thank you so
much for doing this. So, uh, you know,
and listen, and it's been going on for
month and her his current wife, they're
kind of going through they're separated,
but I think they're getting divorced.
His current wife is telling,
>> "Sorry, that's a little bit of a throw
the wrench in there."
>> Yeah. The current wife is like, "You're
[ __ ] insane."
>> And he's, "We need to call MTV. What's
going on?"
>> And if you looked at this guy, you're
not dating Jennifer Anderson. I don't
care if you're a [ __ ] trillionaire.
>> She's never dating you. That's never
gonna happen. There aren't enough
lizard.
>> Yeah, there aren't enough surgeries.
There's not enough medication and
surgeries in order for you to look good
enough to date her. That's how bad this
is with this guy. Anyway,
>> oh my god, that's so bad. How much
money?
>> Um, I don't know how much. I I've heard
a few thousand initially, but I haven't
heard anything in months, and I know she
he's continuing to give money. Um, also
we have a a guy uh Tom Simon who is a
retired FBI agent who works as a uh as
an investigator, a Florida licensed
Florida investigator now. Comes on
podcast all the time. Great guy.
>> And he has multiple clients that have
he's ended up having to go to and say,
"You're not dating Kiana Reeves. I know
you think you are."
>> Kiana Reeves also is not having any any
tax problems. You're being scammed.
>> Why? That's like what that that's like a
common thing that people say. That's
crazy. Oh, it's it's a common scheme.
Yeah. And it's always these celebrities
and honestly if you looked at this the
people have to be delusional because
like and if you looked at these women
like it's like
>> I know there is there is some level of
like definitely not delusion but
definitely
>> something like you don't think
>> they know how to pick up on that though
for sure. One of Liz's first victims
before Richard I know now it's kind of
like that
>> like you're 65 or 70 years old you're 40
pounds overweight. You're living in
Florida. So, sugar babies are a thing
and
I have never engaged in that lifestyle.
However, I do know people that have and
I feel like sometimes they just want the
company, they just don't really
necessarily care. And so, I think that
they just kind of set themselves up for
that failure and then they just accept
it. Like some people just want to spend
the money. But that was not Richard.
Like he did not want to spend the money.
>> He was like, "I did not know I was
spending this money."
>> Well, he's got two kids with a a woman
that's that's actively trying to make
his life miserable. So, okay. So, back
to back to your friend McKay. How'd the
podcast do? Is that still going strong?
>> You know, the podcast there was a couple
good episodes. I think I listened to
like two of them. It was very hard to
listen to cuz I was like, "What are you
talking about? What is this about? What
is it about?" Like,
>> there were just so many things that she
was like, she has a lot of ideas. Like,
it was almost like she had been waiting
for this moment for so long and suddenly
she had this opportunity. She had
350,000 followers out of overnight.
>> Whoa.
>> There's a very large creator. Her name
is Mama Tat. Her name is Oilia.
>> Her I don't even know why she's so
famous. I'm not friends with her. I'm
not a fan of her because of the
situation. Um I did follow her
previously, but not anymore cuz I think
that it's extremely gross if you if you
vouch for somebody online and then they
turn out to be a massive scammer who
your followers might have given money to
and they don't even know that they're a
victim.
>> So Elizabeth planned a gala for a
domestic violence
>> pro or a charity that she was starting,
>> right? It's called fear to fierce. Okay.
H I still have a flyer from this. It was
just kind of interesting. But she Oilia
mama taught. She vouched for her. She
made a video all about it. And Liz got a
100,000 followers from this woman.
People ran and flocked to her like it
was going out of style. And so a lot of
people gave their credit cards and all
of a sudden the gala and the uh it was
all gone. Charity and the gala was
canceled. Charity was gone. Nothing.
Some people's cards got uh charged many
times. recurring payments and a lot of
people just really, you know, that's not
something that people are checking up
on. Like I'm I'm I'm guilty of that.
Like I'll be like, "Oh my god, what are
all these what are all these
subscriptions I have?" That's crazy.
>> I'm probably paying tons of
subscriptions.
>> I know. And I'm like, "I'm wasting my
whole ass my whole life." But Liz is
over here like just praying for somebody
like that. So this is all like in the
span of literally July, August.
Um, so the podcast is kind of like in
there as well. It's all happening all
like this all happens in a six month
period of time.
And it's just wild to me because she
convinces me to sell my house. She lets
me hire a friend named Catherine who I
end up ruining this girl's life. She
tells me, she convinces me that
Catherine is talking horribly about me
publicly. It's like making up these
rumors about me. So I like something
like drugrelated and I'm like what the
what? So I go to her real like her real
estate agents and her brokerage cuz they
it was her first house. I was like
trying to help out a girl. they fire her
and
I've tried to reach out to her because I
now know that that was not true. It was
Liz that was doing that which is it's
unfortunate but
>> she was a big social media person as
well and Liz and I had met her a couple
of summers before that at one of like
the parties that we had gone to that Liz
had paid for.
>> So fast forward I have my house in the
market. The hurricanes come, my house
gets ruined. Crazy. So it was another
way that she kind of like pulled me in
though. She was like, "Oh my god, you
need all this help. like, "Let me help
you." Again, never asked me for
anything. It was really weird. So, I had
just started dating somebody. She had
just started dating a guy named Sam.
>> And so, we all really like hung out all
the time. We had like a good group of
friends. We went to like EDC in Orlando,
like a festival. We had made plans to go
to EDC in Vegas for her birthday in May.
And what's interesting is over the next
couple of months, things start
>> What is EDC?
>> EDC. It's like a festival, you know,
music.
>> Oh.
>> Several days.
>> All right. rowdy fun
>> electric music you know
>> is it you know about it okay
>> I mean I'm sure you I feel like you
would know it if you heard the some of
the like some of the artists you would
know it's like multiple artists they're
different stages over a period of days
like so it's normally
>> is it like a Coachella type of
>> festival you think I know who the
artists are
>> oh uh
>> you might have
>> do they play it on WQYK country
>> you might have heard the name
>> maybe they might have done like a like a
a one a winner with them I don't But so
this is in Orlando. So my sister and Liz
went for the whole weekend. And my
boyfriend and I went only for one day
because he's a massive fan of one of
these DJs.
And this is where like a lot of the
drama kind of started. Liz and her
boyfriend were having a lot of issues.
But she was lying to us about him,
>> right?
>> His name is Sam. And she told us, she
made us think that he was the biggest
piece of [ __ ] on the planet.
>> She told us that he pulled
>> a pew pew on her when her kid was there.
>> Okay.
>> So I was like, why are you not calling
the police? Like this is really
dangerous. like and it was her daughter
who I'm like I'm very much like I'm like
protecting protective aunt. So this is
all going on just like so much things
were happening and we were all just like
what the heck's going on. So the podcast
almost finished but like there's a
couple episodes left come the here comes
the new year. Last time I ever saw Liz
as a friend was on January like the very
first week of January and after that she
goes to Hawaii for a trip with Sam. All
of a sudden Maya disappears and my
sister and I are like what's going on?
It was like around Valentine's Day. So,
there's like a lot of things that
obviously happened between there, like
between August and then February, but
it's like just little things that don't
really matter in the grand scheme of the
story. Um, but all of a sudden, McKay,
her parents came and drug her home,
Pensacola, because they were worried
because like, what's going on? She had
to declare bankruptcy, $400,000.
She had paid for everything. And her
parents were like, "We have the money,
but we're not going to we're not bailing
you out of this."
>> Right? And McKay was so attached to Liz
still. It was very very peculiar and I
was like this girl's brainwashed. Like
I'm really worried. Like I was
concerning.
So I at this point in time, this is
where the producer comes in the podcast.
So I'm like confronting Liz all the
time. I'm like what is going on? You're
not being honest. People online start
talking. They're like people Andrew's
story is picking up. He's got a lot of
he's got a lot of followers that really
don't like Liz and people were very
eager to kind of get everybody that was
on her side her side to like see the
truth. I had two girls specifically that
reached out to me and I ended up
becoming really good friends or I
thought with both of them, but I'm still
really good friends with one of them.
Um, and I'll never forget the day that I
got a message from somebody and they
said, "You need to go look online. There
is an allegation. She's being sued.
include her and Ma being sued by the
podcast guy and they went to go serve
her and animal control had to get
involved and DCF because her 13-year-old
son was living there for a month by
himself. She was ordering him Uber Eats.
He didn't go to school. Truency and
there was two dogs there. It looked like
they had been left alone for months.
[ __ ] and piss everywhere.
I was It was very triggering for me
because there was one instance where I
actually picked up my sister's dogs from
an old house of hers in a very similar
situation. And I'm like, I thought you
just left. Like, what? How long have
these dogs been here?
>> Mhm.
>> And it really like freaked me out. And I
almost stole her. I almost took one of
her dogs cuz I was like, I don't even
want to leave him. He was a puppy. And I
was like, our dogs are like the same
age. And so I just was like, but I I had
no choice but to leave him cuz a dog
walker was coming over there. So I
confront her that night. I'm like, what
the actual f? I call my sister. She
comes over to my apartment cuz I was
living in an apartment. My house was
getting fixed still. And I just bitched
her out. I was like, I'm done with you.
I'm like, I've already had all these
questions about you. Like cuz people
started talking on Reddit. I don't go on
that website. That's very bad for my
health.
>> Your sister came over.
>> Yeah, my sister lives close by to me.
So, she
>> So, you were mad at your sister?
>> No, we had been kind of talking behind
the scenes of like something is not
making sense. People had started a a
Reddit page about her, which I have had
many of those. So, I kind of I do not go
on that website. It's It's dangerous for
me. But, somebody sent me a link and it
was a picture of Liz with a cheop in her
chest with a bandana on her head.
[laughter]
So this is okay.
>> So this is the this is the other scam
that's going on which is the cancer
craziest parts. This is like mixing all
this up. So I actually asked her at one
point I'm like dude did you have cancer?
She was like I lied about how serious it
was but I didn't lie about having it. I
needed money to get away from Andrew and
that is my mistake. And I said listen
I'm not going to judge you for the past.
If you made a mistake just don't do it
again and be better
lies. Anyway, so my sister and I had
already been like kind of thinking like
something is really weird. Like they
were like just being very sketchy. May's
gone. We're like is she ever coming
back? like what's happening? We just had
no idea. Our two best friends had just
disappeared.
We were under the impression that Liz
was like shacking up with this guy Sam
and we just didn't know what kind of
craziness she was involved in. So my
sister comes over. We basically [ __ ]
out. We're like, "Come over to our house
tomorrow or we're done. We don't ever
want to speak to you again. Like this is
crazy." So of course they don't show up.
So I'm like, "I'm done with you then."
So over the next couple of weeks, more
information starts coming out online.
Videos, evidence, evil put in public
records requests. So what had happened
is Richard Powell and his son had gone
to the police.
>> Mhm.
>> Way back when. They had told him, "You
don't have any proof this was not a
gift."
>> Right.
>> So there is a body cam video of them
having a discussion with law
enforcement. That's the first video that
I saw. I'm sitting in my I'm not
kidding. I was sitting in my bathroom
like I stayed up all night long. I
watched Andrew's entire series and there
was a lot of things that were like I was
like so uncomfortable. I'm like
>> starting to make sense.
>> No. Like all the people that she was
pretending to be and like there was this
one time where she like
had stolen money from a Airbnb and then
had literally was going to let this
woman get arrested. She was going that
hard in her story that she didn't want
to get caught. And I just remember
thinking, "Oh my god, like if she can do
this to a random stranger, like this is
crazy." So then I see the video of
Richard and his son and I don't know
why, but I the name I was like, "I know
that name." So I looked up my phone, I
searched the name, and the old
screenshots came up and I literally was
like,
>> "You know what? I had forgot Richard
Powell.
>> Oh, Richard Powell. Okay.
>> Yeah. So, so the the video that was
online is these people that were team
Andrew were trying to just provide
enough information to the internet that
was publicly available. So, people would
start to see who she was. It was a cult.
>> Yeah,
>> it was a cult. It was actually very
scary. I was never involved with it.
They had a Discord and they would like
all text. Like, it was weird. I still
tell them like, "Y'all are weird. You
guys are weird little parasocial
parasites. You guys have weird
relationships with people you don't
know."
>> This is team Elizabeth you're talking
about. team Andrew.
>> Well, they've now also
>> Oh, cuz you Oh, cuz you still think And
you're still thinking
>> I think I still think Andrew is gross,
>> right? So, you're thinking Andrew is a
psychopath and you're But you're now
realizing something's mentally off with
with Elizabeth
>> and something is making sense with his
videos. And keep in mind, one thing I
didn't mention is I testified against
him in the domestic violence injunction
hearing in October,
>> right? And it's only that's only really
kind of even relevant because
what I learned later on is the the
environments that Liz puts herself in.
So for example, she would come to my
house and when she gets to my house, she
would have a her phone would start
ringing off the hook and then on the
other end of that phone would be Andrew
screaming in front of the girls. Well,
what I didn't know until later was that
she was he she had called him right
before she walked into my house
>> and done something to set him off. So
then he would react and it made it look
like he was just this crazy person,
>> right?
>> So I went to court and I said that to a
judge. Like I didn't lie, but it was out
of the context. I was mortified. I was
like,
>> "Oh my god, I testified under oath. You
let me do this. Thank god it wasn't
granted."
>> And because if it would have been, I
would have gone right back in there and
been like, "Hi, judge. So sorry, lawyer
here. Like my bad."
>> Um, so I was slowly starting to like I I
won't even say I'm friends with Andrew,
but I was warming up to the idea that
what he was saying might be true. He
just had so much evidence. It was like
hard to ignore. So I see this video of
Richard Powell and his son. They're
talking about the fact that he was told
that she had cancer,
>> right?
>> That was the first time that I knew that
fact and I was like, "Oh my god,
>> the cancer thing." I'm like, "She took
his money,
>> right?"
>> And then I was provided a copy. There
was a his bank statements were part of
the police report. And I'm looking at
these bank statements and I'm looking at
things that I I engaged in,
>> right?
>> Yachts, gallas, limos,
the dates. I'm looking at my phone. I'm
looking at pictures. I'm like looking at
the dates to make sure that I'm not
crazy. And I literally threw up in the
about I literally puked. I was like so
ill. I was like, "Oh my god, I have to
go to the police." I'm like, "This is
insane." And it was just like connecting
all the dots and like I don't know why
again I don't know why I had saved all
that stuff. Lots of trauma I guess
people not trusting me and not trusting
myself. I just was like, "Okay." So it
took me like about a week to go to the
police because I reached out to the
state attorney first because I was like,
"Okay, I'm not a snitch." I was like,
but I also don't want to get myself into
trouble because
the reality is there was obviously some
sort of a scam going on.
>> Sounds like multiple scams.
>> Multiple. I mean, you're talking the
domestic violence situation, the cancer,
the money, and I had no idea how deep it
was. And at this point in time, McKay
obviously had gone had declared
bankruptcy. I had got a phone call from
one of her friends and they were really
worried because she was like dark, like
she had like gone off of like a land. So
I I ended up calling her parents who I
never met and I had a six-hour FaceTime
with them because her mom and her mom
answered the phone and she's like, "I
don't you sound like Liz. I need you to
FaceTime with me." I'm like, "Okay."
>> Her mom doesn't trust her. Her mom knows
she's
>> No. And so everybody was already
questioning it. It was very very odd. No
one even knew that they were living
together. Like that's what was the
weirdest part. When her parents showed
up, they're like, "Who's this? Whose
stuff is this?"
>> And then things started making sense.
Like
>> that who's living
>> Liz and May when they had been living
together when her parents came to pick
her up.
So, the reason I bring up her parents is
because McKay was so brainwashed by Liz
that she would not she told her parents,
"If you don't accept my friendship with
her, I will never speak to you again."
So, a week after I talked to her
parents, they were literally all arguing
and her dad had a heart attack and died.
>> Holy [ __ ]
>> And [snorts] her mom and I
and I are friends now, but for a long
time they blamed me for like bringing
them into it, which obviously I know
that I was not to blame. I was really
just trying to help. And I was the I am
the hero complex human on all of this. I
just am the middleman for whatever
reason. I have like I don't know people
I'm very predictable and people know
that because of what I do. I'm going to
want to help anybody that I can. It's
just what it's just who I am. The the
cancer thing always makes me think of
there was a documentary about this woman
who was going around telling people like
she had a cure for cancer
>> and [clears throat] people were giving
her money.
>> Yeah. And she was she was getting them
to go out and borrow money from friends
and family to pay her to treat them with
a treatment that does not work and stop
>> the current [clears throat] treatment
the legitimate
>> proven legitimate treatment that they
are currently getting. Like she's like,
"Oh no, you have to stop going to chemo.
Chemo is going to interfere with this
treatment."
>> They make a Netflix series about that. I
remember that. What's it called?
>> And so people are dying. People are
stopping their cancer treatment and
they're dying and dying and dying.
>> Was that the Scamander or was that Oh,
was um apple cider vinegar. That's what
it was called.
>> Oh, is that what it was called? Yeah.
Yeah. It But it was like it was like
>> you like how dark of a
>> person are you? How disturbed of a
person are you that you're willing to
let these people
>> or or or have you deluded yourself into
believing that what you're saying is
legitimate? And of course, the the big
part of it, by the way, was that she I
think that was that she had had cancer.
this had cured her so she's part of the
her it's like this is my testimony
that's why I do this now because it's I
know it works
>> whatever so anyway so whenever people
are saying the whole doing the whole
>> well you know they say they have cancer
or or they say their kids have cancer
like they shame
>> yeah she faked her daughter we learned
this later the things that I learned
after I finally came to the reality of
what was going on
>> the amount of information that I've
learned in the last year would drive
anyone mad like truly my therapists I've
had so They're like, "How are you above
ground?" This is crazy. Um because what
I end up finding out is I go to the
state attorney's office. I'm like,
"Susie as I know everyone there." I'm
like, "Do you have an investigation into
this girl?" I'm thinking there has to
be,
>> right?
>> Nope. I'm like, "Oh my god, what the
freick?" So I go to the police station
and I'm like, "I cannot believe I'm
doing this." I had all my information
because when we had talked about going
to Vegas for her birthday, we had all
given her money. Not a lot of money, but
enough money that I could go and that
was kind of like my in,
>> right? I think it [clears throat] was
like $1,000 between me and my sister and
my boyfriend. And so I was like, I
wanted to, you know, petty theft,
whatever.
>> So I get an email like a couple days
later. I go up to the PlayStation and
the woman when I walked in there and I
said her name, she was looked at me kind
of funny.
>> She goes into the back and then she
comes back out and she's like, I think
we made a mistake. I think that we have
made a mistake here. I go, I don't
understand. She's like, I've heard that
name a lot.
>> And what I've learned now, obviously
Andrew had gone up there 10 times and
they had always just ignored him and
told him made him look like an idiot.
>> Yeah. Sounds like a domestic
>> situation,
>> right?
>> Because they had told him that no matter
what, there was no proof that it was not
just a gift and his son was like, "I'm
going to keep coming up here until you
help my dad." Like his retirement is
gone. So, I give them all my evidence. A
week later, a week later, I get an email
from CPD and the FBI wants to meet with
me.
>> So, I invite them to my office. I'm the
first one to meet with them. I sit there
for 6 hours. I gave them everything
because I I was like, "Listen, I know
how this ends for people that are on my
like I've just seen all the craziest
things." I was like, "And I don't know
what she's capable of." I go, "I'm
freaking out." I was I was very unwell.
There's a pod the podcast that was
created, Elizabeth.
I had to re-record my segments multiple
times because I was still very much
processing everything and I sound like a
psychopath. It's it's it's not my best
look for sure,
>> right? It took me a long time honestly
because we were learning in real time
that she was still scamming other people
cuz she had to make money.
>> Yeah.
>> And so she was her timeline was getting
faster. It was getting shorter and it
was becoming more obvious quicker that
she was scamming individuals.
>> Yeah. And there's more stuff out there.
So it's it's more difficult for her to
do this.
>> Like we never had that information that
was not available. But now all of a
sudden I'm like how are people so dumb?
Like $20,000 from this guy Wayne,
$20,000 from these two young girls. I'm
like how are people having this kind of
money just laying around? But she was
she worked her ways and she did it. So
we kind of became a little bit obsessed.
I will be honest about that. And
mentally it was not the best time. But
as time went on, so I went to the FBI
and they're like, "All right, we're
doing a massive investigation." I start
learning these things. She's abandoning
her kids. We're hanging out with her
kids. She's getting more pissed. She's
threatening me. So from April of last
year until now,
>> this woman has been on a scheme. I plan
to ruin my life. I'm not kidding. Like
when I tell you this, I've
>> In what way though? Like what were
things she's done? Well, her favorite
thing to do is so I was arrested in
another country and the most traumatic I
was literally like when I tell you that
I was extorted, had the [ __ ] kicked
kicked out of me and there's a video of
me after I had been assaulted. It's it's
literally it was illegally taken down
there. H
>> how were you arrested in another country
and for what reason?
>> Oh, I was arrested in the Bahamas. So,
my sister and I went down there. This is
right after I met my catfish. We went
down there for New Year's Eve. We were
extorted at a nightclub in Atlantis,
like the really nice resort that we went
to every year of our entire lives. cuz
we went there like we were it was like
home for us,
>> right?
>> We were pretty much walking red flags. I
They knew who we were when we got there.
>> How were you extorted?
>> So, they came up to us in the nightclub
and they basically
>> Who were they?
>> Individuals that worked at the
nightclub. Locals. Locals.
>> Locals.
>> We'll say three people. We'll say three
people at the club. A bouncer, a
waitress, and a kid that we became
friends with. And he felt so bad about
how things went that he ended up telling
us all this later.
>> Okay.
>> So, they came up to us. They created a
crime. They said that I attacked
someone. I'm like, "No, I didn't. I
ended up getting my hair tested when we
got back because I was like I was
roofied. Like this is I had one drink.
It was crazy. So I will I came I got I
come too and this big old guy's on top
of me and I'm like what's going on? They
bring us down to this like really
sketchy room. They're like if you give
us $5,000 we will tell the cops not to
we'll tell the cops it's no big deal. So
my sister's like, "Yo, we just booked
this trip yesterday. We don't have that
kind of money." So she's like calling
our mom. It's the middle of the night
trying to take out some money. While
she's out there trying to find money,
the cops come and the girl's like,
"Sucks for you." And I was like, "I'm
not going. I'm a lawyer. I'm like, I
know my rights, blah, blah, blah. I
didn't have any rights on me there.
>> Well, yeah. They drugg my ass through
the parking lot on my back, slam my arm
in the in the car door, broke my elbow,
they beat the [ __ ] out of me. I'm in the
backseat of this cop car, couldn't
breathe, and I kicked this girl. I
donkey kicked her, and I bit her because
I was like, I'm going to die in this car
right now. And so I had to spend four
days in a hole in the ground. Four days
>> in the Bahamas
>> because it it's just so different. So
they knew exactly who I was. I don't
know how still to this moment, but I
think my social media obviously played a
very large role in it. And so there was
a video that was taken from someone's
cell phone that was illegal, but this
one woman was like, "I'm going to ruin
your life." It was all about money. Like
my mom ended up So my mom flew down from
Rhode Island. It was crazy. She was like
freaking out. I only had to pay $2,500
to the original cop. The cop that I bit
her I bit her. I mean, I kicked her and
she hurt her finger, right?
>> I was destroyed. Like bruises in my
entire body. I had like this absess in
my elbow. Like literally I was in TGH
for like a week. It was so bad. My
hospital bills were like $100,000 when I
got back. And there's no record of me
being there in the Bahamas. They made me
pay this $2,500. And ironically, the
person that I paid it to was the girl
from the nightclub wasn't even the cop.
That's whose name was on the receipt. So
the whole thing was a circular thing and
all the cops cuz I I make friends. I'm
not stupid. I knew I had to survive. I
was going to like make friends and get
through it. So they all had told me how
poor it is down there since the
pandemic.
>> Mhm.
>> So they were like, I don't even go
drinking myself. Like this happens all
the time. And I met two other Americans
that had happened to them the night
before in the same nightclub. So fast
forward, this is how Liz used me though
when I got back.
>> So don't go to the Bahamas.
>> I mean, maybe it's better now, but I'
i've actually been back. I know. Crazy.
The cops [snorts] down there, they love
me now. They literally will text me. But
so this video got leaked and I think it
was because of Liz, and I think that she
held on to it. So every month for the
last 12 months, this woman has made it
her absolute plan to make me look like
[ __ ] online. So, she's releasing this
video to online to tell people, "Hey,
this woman this this woman who's a
lawyer, she got arrested in the Bahamas.
She's she's fighting with people. She
got arrested. She spent 4 days in jail."
>> And keep in mind, this is already this
is already leaked once, but this is when
I first got rid of my TikTok. My law
partners at the time were like, "Got to
go. Like, get rid of that. It's not
helpful."
>> Right?
>> So, at first, she didn't post the video
at first. She was just threatening to
expose me. So, she forced me to tell the
story before I was ready. I I knew
eventually I would tell it, but it it
was really traumatic for me. I've told
it so much now I just can kind of laugh
about it. Um, but I was like in serious
therapy from it. It wasn't even like the
fight that got me in therapy. It was the
aftermath. It was like this 12. It was
insane like the process that I went
through and I went I demanded to go to
the hospital. I'm like screaming on this
video because they would not help me and
I was bleeding from like every surface
of my body. It was crazy. So like the
first couple months she just would post
videos like threatening to expose
something.
>> So like my anxiety was just like through
the roof like what the heck could she
expose? Like what did we ever do? Like
I'm thinking to myself I didn't do
anything wrong and it was all because
I'd gone to the police.
>> But it doesn't have to be a real thing.
>> Exactly. And that's just what she did.
That's how she gets everyone. She
blacksmails you. So around July is when
she started posting in the videos of
that cuz I had already come out and told
everybody about that. I also had come
out and told my whole catfish story like
through like a it's like nine it's like
so many parts of a video but I ended up
connecting with five other women who had
been catfished by the same person. So it
was like very very weird. So fast
forward so she keeps she goes through
like a phase. She has a cycle is what um
the girl on the podcast always says. She
goes through a cycle and part of her
cycle is that she will make these
threats online and then she uses those
threats and those videos to get what she
wants. So she would say, "Stop talking
about me and I'll take my videos down.
stop hanging out with my kids. I'll take
the videos down. I'll stop talking about
you if you agree to stop talking about
me. And I would just be so sick of it. I
was like, fine. I don't want to I don't
want to deal with you. Like, I'm I don't
want I don't like you. I'm trying to
like I was I'm thinking I'm a witness.
I'm like, why are you even talking to
me?
>> But the FBI was taking forever. So, fast
forward, it's my birthday, October. I
had to call the police. I had to file an
injunction against her because she would
not let up. And she filed a false bar
complaint against me. I had to hire a
lawyer for both of those. what the bar
what the bar uh complaint say.
>> She is really good at taking things out
of context and narrowing the the
narrative to one specific statement that
is actually part of like thousands. So
she there was a woman that arguably or
allegedly had hacked her email,
>> right?
>> There was my understanding of it was
that Andrew had access to it and that's
how everybody had seen it. And this
person had found out that the FBI was
doing an investigation through that
email. And so when
>> she told me I was like, "Hell yeah. I
was I was pumped because it was it had
been months and I was like, "Thank God
they're finally looking into this." Like
I was like I was dying inside and like
it just became really consuming of me.
Um
so she basically told the Florida Bar
that I either was involved with the
hacking or should have reported it to
law enforcement. I'm like so you're
upset that I reported you to law
enforcement. You're like you're ruining
my life, but you now think that there's
an allegation that I don't even know the
truth to it.
>> Right? I told them in my in these
messages, I said, "Don't ever do that
again. You might need to touch base with
a federal lawyer. I have people that can
help you." So, she just loved to
misconrue that. So, that was one of
them. I'm not going to lie, there was
one part of her complaint that was true.
We went and we hung flyers around Tampa.
I was trying to warn people,
>> right?
>> People were getting scammed every single
day. Like, it was insane. So, my sister
and I and a couple other people, we just
were, it wasn't anything that was fraud,
like defaming, anything like that. It
was just information. Keep in mind there
was a billboard at the same time that we
had nothing to do with. Like Liz's face
was on the was on a billboard on candy,
>> right?
>> Her mug shot was bad.
>> Whatever happened with uh So when when
we did our interview with Andrew? Uh was
that before? So you weren't friends with
her at that time or were you?
>> I don't remember when he did I can't
remember when he did his interview.
>> We'll find out right now.
>> Yeah, I know it's at least a year ago.
Let me see. It's got to be over. Yeah,
it's got to be over a year ago because
>> I made a video of how apologizing to
Andrew, which is what I thought Mama Tat
should have done that woman because
people came for him. I mean, he got
death threats
>> June 1st, 2025. So, a little over a
year.
>> A little over a year ago.
>> Yeah. So, he and I were on good terms at
that point. But I was not friends with
her. She was like deep in rehab, mental
health. She's got BPD. Just all these
excuses, excuses, excuses. I'm like,
"Girl,
whatever." whatever, but she would
always find um she would find a source,
a host, not a friend, and then she would
get enough money to like kind of get her
back on her feet for a minute and then
start the cycle all over again,
>> right?
>> So, I didn't talk to her though from
October until January. It was wonderful
because I had this injunction pending
against her and I ended up dismissing it
because I had to come to Jesus to talk
with my with I hired somebody cuz I was
too emotionally involved. I could I
recognized that and she was like, "Do
you really want this video in the
courthouse where you work every day?"
like everyone knows it exists, but do
you really want that as evidence? And I
was like, not really. So, we ended up
dismissing it because I also was $50,000
and on the whole I'm like, for what? For
what? Like, she's filed these bar
complaints against me simultaneously.
So, she's still causing me harm.
Um, I have like a dropbox of like a
thousand files. She always deletes all
her stuff, but I kept kept records of
everything. So, that gets dropped. the
Florida bar complaint ends up getting
dismissed as not based off of anything.
>> Yeah. Not credible.
>> Um and so honestly like she really was
not a thought in my brain. She was not a
thought. Like obviously I was always
hopeful that at some point it would come
to fruition. So fast forward
a month ago. I was at my office on
Monday. I check every I would check
every week just on Pacer just to see if
she was ever charged because I didn't
think that she would get arrested. I did
not I thought that she would come to an
agreement because I am an idiot. The one
my biggest regret that I have is being a
nice person because she came to me right
before I had to file I right before I
called the police and I did the
restraining order
and she came to me crying and pleading.
I was actually with the cast producer so
I have this whole thing recorded but
she's like I'm very unwell like I need
to get I am sick of living this life. I
am in this really bad cycle of like
abusing and just I want to get out of
this. I need to get ahead of this and I
have no money. And I'm like, so I was
like, what do you need my help with? I
don't really want to help you, but she's
like, I need to hire a lawyer and see if
what I can do. And I go, okay. I was
like, well, you can do like what's
called maybe like a pre-file, like maybe
they'll stop their investigation because
you have literally over a decade's worth
of um alleged false cancer schemes,
including your kids.
>> They a lot of money. It's crazy. Um
people thought she died. like people on
the internet thought that she had died
cuz she had taken money publicly and
then had just disappeared in the years
before we ever knew her.
>> So
>> just wasn't enough.
>> So she goes, "Can you help me find
someone?" So I said, "Sure." So I found
out I gave her 10 lawyers. Five were
[ __ ] I was like, "Give a [ __ ] one."
>> Cuz I just was hopeful. I'm like, "You
know, if the victims were ever going to
get money back, I was hopeful that like
maybe we could convince her like to do
it like, you know, do a documentary. All
the proceeds can go to these people."
Because at this point in time, we were
already up to like $2.5 million that we
knew cuz the producer of the podcast had
done a really good job. So, I help her
hire this lawyer. At first, she tells me
that she hired him and he's like, "No,
she didn't. I'm not going to let her
hire me." Well, a week later, I get an
email from her and he CCD and she had
hired him. She suddenly came up with
$25,000 overnight.
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>> And this guy's like obviously pretty
freaking good because of the agreement
that she ended up getting. Um, and he
had told me that he had talked to the A
USA before she ever hired him. He's
like, "Yeah, she never hired me." But I
did talk to the A USA and they are open
to a discussion about a pre-file where
they'll stop the investigation. So far,
they do have several counts, but this is
an investigation that will last three
years. That's how deep it is. And I'm
like,
so fast forward. Yeah, I was gonna say
like Andrew alone, we don't even like we
haven't even touched on Andrew. What she
did to her ex-husband. She just
destroyed his business, ran up his
credit.
>> He was a doctor. Like he like truly like
his reputation was trash.
>> Yeah. So
>> he was like working at
>> you'd have to watch the other video.
>> You should watch the other video.
>> That'll be at the end of this video.
That video will pop up.
>> Nice job. Okay, professionals.
>> And again, Andrew is not the best
storyteller. He's gotten better. He's a
little cocky right now though. I'm like,
"Sir, you need to chill out. You need to
chill [laughter] out
>> cuz things are going good." Finally,
>> cuz I will I will give him credit.
>> He has never been wrong. Yeah,
>> he's the king of receipts. I'm like,
"You're so lame." I'm like, "Oh, just
tell the truth." And like the truth will
always come to light. Like, that's been
my thing this whole time.
>> It's like, I will not lie. I don't ever
lie because my word is my bond. Like,
I'm just not going to. But people for
some reason believe that she was not
like that she wasn't a criminal. Yeah.
>> Until these charges came. So about a
month ago, she gets charged um two
counts of wire fraud. One count is
Richard Powell and the other count is a
guy named Jason who I have met over the
course of the podcast.
>> What What happened with Jason?
>> His mom was murdered and he got her
estate and the money that he had gotten
from that list took it all. He was
homeless. He sold his children's like
It's so awful.
>> How much he sold his children?
>> Um no, he sold his children's
belongings. [laughter]
>> I was like, [snorts] how much are they?
>> I was going to say what do you get for a
kid? like um
>> um no but like $700,000.
>> Oh, he she got him for7 Oh, and you know
what's so funny about stuff like that
>> is that it it's it was Here's there's
the part that really bothers me [snorts]
>> is that it's not like like
>> I'm like what what do you mean
everything should bother you?
>> The part that really gets me is it's
it's like you know, oh they got this
person for 100,000. I'm like oh that's
horrible and then they blew it on yachts
and and trips AND I'M LIKE OH [groaning]
>> SHE BLEW UP EVERYTHING. She's not a
single thing that they could have ever
seized, which is kind of smart for her
cuz there's not a single
>> do for you. Like like you just you just
destroyed this person's life
>> and she screwed herself in the process
>> and you blew it on three trips. What the
[ __ ] are you doing? What are you talking
about?
>> So poor Jason like I told him like you
know he was humiliated cuz he went on
the podcast and people really just did
not
>> Oh people have no sympathy. They have no
empathy.
>> They were like you're an idiot. You're
an actual imbecile. Him and McKay.
People were like, "What is wrong with
you guys?" So, keep in mind, one thing I
did not like really touch on is McKay.
When I finally was I was the link that
she realized that Marcus was catfish
because of the phone number that she had
been using. It was a phone number that
Liz had crashed out and called me on a
couple of times. So, that was a really
uncomfortable FaceTime. We both cried. I
just was like, "I'm so sorry." Like, cuz
I was like, "Either she's using my story
to catfish you or she was my catfish,
too." And I did not believe that until
recently that she could have been
connected to it, which is another story
for another day. But
>> it's it's funny the so the let's say the
scale of pathology as far as like being
a pathological liar is like some of them
are so far um
on the scale so far up or so high on the
scale that they're they're not
functioning.
>> Yeah. Some of them are moderately like
they lie constantly but they can balance
it with what's reasonable and and so
those people extremely damaging right
and they have people that are just
slightly like like everybody lies you
know you lie I lie everybody
>> um you do lie everybody lies
no exactly no listen lies are the kind
of like social lubricant right like like
of course like you know Hey, your outfit
looks great. But the truth is, you wore
high heels and I was immediately
disturbed by it because you're towering
over me.
>> I literally knew the minute I walked in,
I go, "Oh, he's about to cry."
>> Yeah. As soon as you walked in, I
thought, "What is wrong with her?" But
if you said if you said Yeah. But if you
said to me, you know, "Oh, what do you
think of my outfit?" I'd be like, "Oh,
no. You look great." That's a lie. I'm
very irritated that you're [ __ ] 6'
tall. You You're already taller than me.
[laughter] You didn't need the [ __ ] 4
in heels.
>> Does it make you feel better that my
boyfriend I tower over him when I wear
these shoes? I would I wouldn't put up
with it. Listen, Jess,
she'll walk up. She'll go, "What do you
think?" I go, "You know what? I think
you know what I think."
>> Well, she's my height, but she'll fet 3
ft heels.
>> I don't wear I don't really wear these.
>> No. I'm like, "You might as well throw
all of those out."
>> When I go to work in the morning, he if
he's home, I'm like, I don't want to
have to kiss you like leaning down.
Like, that's so No, no, no. I can't.
>> Start being barefoot.
>> I am right now. So, bet.
>> So,
>> we all do lie a little,
>> right? But everybody does it. Everybody
li you know. How you doing? Oh, I'm
doing great. I'm not doing that. So that
is a lie.
>> Oh, I never lie about that. I'm like, I
want to be underground. How am I I don't
I'm not I'm not well. I'm not.
>> But but so everybody likes Here's what's
interesting. Listen to this. This is I
always thought this this statistic was
interesting is that and I'm I'm probably
off on it a little bit. Yeah, I might be
spot on, though. So men and women lie
equally.
>> Mhm.
>> But
80% of women's lies
are to make someone else feel better.
>> And 20% is to make them look better. Now
men, 80% of their lies are to make them
look good and 20% are to make someone
else look good. So it proves like what
selfish pricks men can be. you know,
because I'm you're constantly trying to
to look good to everyone else, like
boast and look good and say, "Oh, things
are amazing. Oh, I'm doing this. I'm
doing that." And and so
>> where does Liz fall on that,
>> isn't it? Right. So, I'm just nowhere.
Yeah. Nowhere because I mean, nowhere.
I'm just saying in general on So, when
people like, "Oh, I never lie." You do
lie. Everybody lies to a degree, but and
we all men and women lie equally. But
for someone like this, they they get a
thrill out of fooling some people. Now,
I did I wrote a book on a guy named
Marcus uh Shrinker,
>> and I don't know if you remember this
case, uh cuz you're you're you know,
you're you're [clears throat] young. No,
you're young. Um, and so in 2008,
Marcus Shrinker,
>> 2008, Marcus Shrinker was being
investigated by the Indiana um uh um
Security and Exchange Commission.
>> Interesting connection to Liz Indiana.
>> So he he took so his his office had been
raided and he knew he's going to be
arrested. So he takes his private plane
out and he flies it up and he calls in a
distress signal. He was a financial
manager. Uh he calls it a distress
signal saying that
>> I know I know about this.
>> Everybody does.
>> I know about this. And he
>> my my my windshield is spider cracking
and then oh my windshield has imploded.
Turbulence. Uh
>> and he like it ends up like landing
somewhere else it wasn't supposed to.
>> Bleeding profusely. No. No. He jumps out
of the plane,
>> right? And then but then they found the
plane. It wasn't it went like somewhere
else,
>> right? He expect No, no. He they knew
where it was. They were tracking it. He
expected the plane to fly out over the
Gulf and [snorts] run out of fuel and
and crash and then they he he felt that
when it hit the water, the windshield
would implode, right? So, he felt like
that part of his story would be
validated and they wouldn't find his
body because the windshield it had
landed in the water. They either
wouldn't find the the plane and if they
did, the windshield would be imploded
and they would have think the body had
washed away. So,
>> we got eaten.
>> What he didn't realize is when he opened
up the hatch, the drag was so bad on the
plane, it was never able to regain
altitude, by the way. He lowered it and
jumped out and went it was supposed to
go back up, but because the doors were
open, it could not regain altitude uh
with the autopilot. And it was the there
was so much drag on it, it burned up all
the fuel and it landed 40 or 50 miles,
which is literally
>> 10 minutes early. Yeah,
>> it landed in a in a um swampy area like
probably I think 3 or 4 hundred feet
from
>> from a subdivision. Like it could have
hit the subdivision but it didn't land
in swampy area. He gets caught 3 days
later. But this guy's whole life is is
nothing but pathological lying. Like he
has lied and lied and li his whole life
and there's nothing that can like people
like this there's no medication.
>> No.
>> So you can't give them a pill and say
look you have to continue to take your
pill and you'll be all better. Like and
even if they could like they don't want
to they don't have
>> they're not going to. They say they do
and they don't.
>> Right. They're not going to.
>> That's her favorite thing to do is to
say she's on a whole bag full of meds.
I'm like, "Girl, no."
>> Well, it's like it's it's like um it's
like um what do you call it? Uh being
bipolar.
>> Yeah.
>> Bipolars do they'll get on the
medication.
>> She says she's got BPD
>> for a month and then it it starts it
helps them,
>> right? And then they feel normal so they
get off of it,
>> right? They start thinking, "I don't
need this anymore." And also they they
don't like the way it feels. Because
they don't get those [clears throat]
extreme highs.
>> Exactly.
>> I used to have a buddy who used to say
who was bipolar. He used to say, "I'll
give you two lows for one high because
the highs just feel that good."
>> He was bipolar.
>> Damn.
>> It was true. He's like, "I'm not taking
the medication." He said, "I'll just
deal with it." And really wasn't you
dealing with it. It was everybody else
in your orbit that was dealing with it.
>> So, I don't see that she gets better.
>> No, she can't. And she told me she
won't. I She told me, she goes, "I'll
never stop. I cannot stop. This is who I
am." And she told me, she goes, "I'll
ruin you if you keep trying to get in my
way."
>> Right.
>> But she's aware at least.
>> Oh, she is.
>> Shrier's aware of it,
>> but he's he's almost although he has
admitted it, that he he does lie and
that he has lied and but she seems okay
with admitting that she's lying and that
she that that this is something that
she's doing. That's so I'm wondering is
it pathology? Is it a path? Is is she a
pathological liar or is she just um a
pathological scammer?
>> I don't know.
>> You think she realizes what's happening?
>> Yes.
>> I think that she uses that though as a
tool to make herself look more credible.
Like she uses it like I understand. I'm
under investigation,
>> right?
>> I'm under federal investigation. She
would tell the internet that.
>> People would still trust her. Like she's
got a clan of women that are supporting
her right now and I don't understand it.
They have merch with her mug shot on it.
I'm like, "Y'all are wild as shit." And
what's funny though is guess what? Guess
what? They used to be on Andrew's side.
And then Andrew didn't pick them and
then they switched teams. And I'm like,
"So if Andrew didn't exist, would you
guys still support Elizabeth and half of
them have said no?" And I'm like, "Then
you are an [ __ ]
>> You are actually this woman's ruining my
life. So kick rocks barefoot, please,
right now."
>> But that's what that's what she just
does, though. But the thing is, though,
I don't think that she can get better.
>> And I don't think that she ever wants to
get better because she's been given the
most golden opportunity right now. So
this is what my understanding of her
plea is. She's already It's I've never
seen anything like it. She literally was
She waved her indictment. She's been
charged with the two counts. She goes to
court next week. She's literally
pleading guilty. Her plea agreement was
filed the same day as her charges were
filed. It's been she signed it in June.
So, what's interesting though is that
she won't be sentenced though until
December because she has made an
agreement that she's she has these
assets somewhere, which she doesn't.
She's told the government that she'll
take a lie detector test, which she
probably could pass. She's that that
crazy.
>> Yeah, that I was say that's a
ridiculous. She said that she gave the
money to her mom and her sister, which I
have contact with them. And I know
that's not true. And she was still
scamming someone the day that she signed
the plea.
>> But you So here's the thing. You're
saying that like, you know, like she
signed a plea like they're not bound by
the plea and and they'll once she sign.
Yeah. Once she signs guilty and they
say, "Okay, if we all that, okay, great.
Yeah, absolutely. No problem. And let's
go ahead and sign the plea." and she
signs it and then they get into court
and they say, "By the way, she signed an
agree a a plea agreeing that she's 100%
guilty of all these and she agreed to do
all of these things." None of them were
true. We agreed to re we agreed to
recommend this if those things were
true. We now know they weren't true.
>> So that's what's interesting though,
>> and now we want you to [ __ ] give her
20 years.
>> What's so crazy though is that she's
only charged with these two counts and
obviously they don't do any more
investigation into that. So she thinks
that she's golden. She's told everyone,
"I'm not going to prison." And I'm like,
"Baby girl, yes you are." Because number
one, I've been in touch with the FBI the
entire time. The minute I find out any
information, I'd be calling that got
that guy on speed dial because I will
not be caught up in this ever. I was
like, I will not like allow this whole
thing to go down for nothing. And she
ended up like seriously harassing my
sister and I after she was charged. She
filed some bogus injunction against this
girl, one of the girl, one of the first
two girls that reached out to me in the
beginning that I'm friends with.
>> She lives in New Jersey. She never met
her before. She files a stalking
injunction against her and the judge
grants it. Liz drags me into court. I
haven't seen her in a year and a half.
>> I had a full-blown panic attack meltdown
in the courthouse. Like I was
hyperventilating. Like it was really
bad. This is two weeks ago. So I end up
calling I ended up calling a couple of
my friends from law school whose dad is
a federal lawyer. And I was like, "I
need your help." Like I don't know what
this woman is capable of. I'm really
afraid. She told the judge that I was
live recording and streaming this this
court hearing to people on the internet.
And so she's like he's like talking
about arrests and contempt. I'm like
this is insanity. I'm like, how? This
woman has admitted that she is has plead
guilty,
>> but they're calling her a celebrity. I'm
like, but she only called me as a
witness, so I couldn't help this girl.
She wanted me to have a conflict and
then she filed a second bar complaint
against me right after. So,
>> what was the second bar?
>> Saying that I purged myself in this
court house and I all these things. I'm
like, all I did was say I answered five
questions. That's crazy. So, what's
interesting though,
>> when I hired, that's why I call my
friend, my friend's name is also Liz,
Liz's lawyer, her and her dad, and her
dad is working directly with Liz's
lawyer on another case. And so, he's
like, I'm going to reach out to him. I
go, I just want her to contact me. I go,
I'm sick of the harassment. I'm It's
causing me like severe mental issues. I
don't like to admit that, but she scares
the [ __ ] out of me. And so, and I am now
and they're in the process of making me
an actual victim, identified victim, so
she will never be able to talk to me
ever again. And there's allegedly an
additional two-year mandatory sentence
that gets stacked onto that as an
enhancement for the impersonation
>> aggravated identity theft
>> because
>> I did too.
>> Ironically ironically because my
imperson that impersonation is linked to
one of these two victims for like some
grace of God because nobody's happy that
she's going to be getting out. Like
everyone's freaking out. But I also know
information that she's also going to get
screwed because she thinks that she's
higher than everybody else and she just
can't take the good thing that she's
been given, get her restitution
together. She's going to walk in there
with no money. She's already broken the
rules. Her ass is going to be grass.
Like
>> Well, even if here's the thing. Even if
she did, if she just got what is she
supposed to be 5 years paper or
something? What is it?
>> I don't know. I think she scored out to
like two to three years prison, but they
were saying that they were obviously
going I don't know what they were going
to give her.
>> Well, she has to get a year. The judge
has to accept it. And I judge the judge
is hard. I He's be a state judge.
>> Judge,
>> Thomas Barber.
>> Okay.
>> Is there a dollar amount associated with
the two counts of wire fraud?
>> Yeah. So the four there is I think
they've
>> This is federal, right?
>> Yeah. It's only like noted at like 1.3
I think million.
>> So we have we do a we do a game show
with Tom Simon, a retired FBI agent, and
he breaks him
>> and he breaks down a case. I'm sure he
>> I want to meet him. He's great.
>> Maybe we'll do an episode. I need help.
Um,
>> I need to help on things.
>> He would he would actually probably be
interested in the story. But anyways, he
breaks down a case like this, a federal
case, uh, financial crime, breaks down
criminal history, the dollar amount, the
whole story. So, like with all that
given, like what would you guess, Matt?
>> What would I So, he comes on the show,
he he breaks down a case. He does like
12 of them
>> or 11.
>> Yeah, 12 like 12. He'll break down a
case and this is blah blah blah. Tell me
the whole thing, you know, very quickly.
Five. Well, in let's say five or 10
minutes and then we talk about, you
know, I'm like, okay, how many victims
were there? You know, was all the money
from one victim? Was it more than a
million dollars? I go through all of the
enhancements, right? Like, you know,
sophisticated means, you know, wire,
blah, blah.
>> Yeah. Um, and so then I guess how much
time would that person do with
Elizabeth? She has no criminal history.
Although,
>> well, she had PTI for the one state
case, but it's gone,
>> right?
>> She paid [snorts] it off somehow. We're
not sure how.
>> With somebody else's money,
>> by Flair's money. Yeah. So,
>> her
>> uncle. Her uncle. She says
>> who? Rick Flair's her uncle.
>> Says she says that Ric Flair's her
uncle. It's on the It's on the dash.
It's on the video, the body cam. I'm
like, girl, I introduced you to him,
>> right?
>> What [laughter] are you talking? Just
like Just like Richard Powell was your
uncle,
>> right?
>> Weird.
>> So, 1.1 million. How much time? All the
victims.
>> How many victims are there? Is it just
these two guys or is it
>> I don't think that any of those people
will actually That's one of the good
things.
>> Are they counting them as victims? Oh,
they're okay. So, their PSI doesn't
>> only No, I think it's only going to be
those two.
>> So, there's two victims on
>> Except for if I talk I mean, obviously,
I'll get to talk to probation now. So, I
really am hoping that I can um you know,
just maybe drop a couple in there.
>> So, what are we saying? I don't know how
that works.
>> Are we saying did she get charged with
aggravated identity theft?
>> No.
>> Okay. So, [ __ ] That's
>> No. So, everything has changed because I
hired these people to help me because I
was like I was not recognized as a
victim or a witness cuz they don't it
wasn't going to be like that because she
started harassing me.
The government's not objecting to me
being a victim and having no contact.
>> So, what is her So, her PSI is going to
say what it's going to say. What are the
charges? Is wire fraud?
>> Two counts of wire.
>> Two counts of wire.
>> Two counts of wire fraud. Dollar amount
is 1.1 million.
>> 1.2.
>> Okay. 1.2 million.
>> Um,
>> whatever. She's done have 30 victims.
Sounds like she got two victims. She's
got sophisticated means.
>> She's got So, so you're saying we
already know what what it is. She said
two years. We're saying two years, but
the judge can they can recommen
>> he could go above it, but he could go
below it. He could just say, "Okay, put
her on a main call monitor. Let her do
it at home cuz she says she's going to
make payments, whatever."
>> She's a pretty girl,
>> right? And so she's at least getting the
two years and probably at a minimum
she's getting one year paper. They can't
give him less than one year paper,
>> right? I think the max is three,
>> right? So let's say she Well, let's say
she gets two. Let's say she get two
years in, two years out. She get two
years on ankle monitor. Let's pretend
that's true. She'll never make it past
the paper.
>> Oh, I know.
>> But she'll she's definitely going to
prison.
>> She can't even make it to sign the
paper,
>> right? So, we're looking at two years.
Well, I I think that probably she'll get
the two years
>> of probation.
>> No, no, I think she'll go to jail.
>> I think she's going to get five years.
>> You think she's getting five years?
>> There's information I cannot share on
>> Okay, but you're Okay, wait a minute.
You're also going to She's also not
abiding by
>> Correct. The terms of the agreement is
that they will only it's only about the
crimes they knew about at the time she
signed it.
>> And I'm just going to go on a limb and
say there's a possibility that another
crime has been reported that they did
not know about. And it's one of the
biggest ones. It's not the biggest one,
but it's a long one and it's wild. Like
it's why it's why I think she's my
catfish now.
>> So I think 36 I think let's say 36
months. 36 months.
>> Let's say 36 months.
>> Be the happiest 36 months of my life.
>> Right. Um,
>> but then she's got to get out. She's
Here's the thing about the federal
system,
>> is that once you're in the federal
system,
>> it's very hard to get out. Not just out
of prison, but it's hard to get out.
Like once you're on paper, like
>> Yeah. No, it's hard.
>> You keep they they're on you. And
listen, and they don't It's not like the
state like they get a phone call.
>> No, it's bad.
>> This is what's happening right now.
They'll just [ __ ] yank your [ __ ] up
and stick you in jail. Why? cuz I got a
phone call that said that you just stole
$5,000 in cash from this person and they
don't have to prove you've lost all your
rights. She may just it could be a
constant in and out in and out of jail
>> rest of her life because that's what it
should have been this whole time anyway.
>> So So just so I'm clear, the two
counts of wire fraud are just from like
the two boyfriends kind of or like these
people that they're taking from that
she's taking from two elderly men
>> and nothing to do with the cancer.
>> No, it all has to do with the cancer.
>> Oh, okay. Well, cuz the guy,
>> but not like the crowd funding, did she?
Was he? No. Yeah. Was she doing
>> So, they never done anything with that.
So, that was one of the first things
that I talked to like they were there
was so many different aspects that they
wanted to look into,
>> but there just was not enough time.
Like, they never really looked into the
fear to fierce. They never looked into
like any of the other domestic. She had
literally planned three different gallas
that never happened. But
>> she's selling tickets or
>> Yeah. And then was doing recurring
payments on people,
>> right? It
>> was very very weird cuz like I didn't
know anything about that. But the number
of people like people, this one girl
literally moved up her wedding. Liz told
her that she was dying and this woman
was going to adopt her children.
Liz obviously wasn't dying and her kids
were not going to be adopted. But this
woman moved her wedding up months.
>> The judge may give her 5 years. Like if
these people if these people show up
>> Oh, they will like her. Okay. May
>> she found a check recently, a picture of
a check in her bank account. Liz had
stolen it and had written her 50,000 a
$50,000 check to herself.
The problem is with May's family, they
don't want anything to do with this.
They She really just wants to move on
because her dad and everything, which I
understand. She's just trying. I mean,
it's painful with Marcus and the whole
>> Do either of you think that 3 to 5 years
would help change her mentality.
>> No,
>> no,
>> she'll get out. Although, listen, in
Shrinker's case, he although he's had a
couple domestic violence
charges, um
he's he he hasn't reaffended, but I also
think that his name is so synonymous
with pathological lying and fraud, it'd
be difficult for him.
And because of his specific, let's say,
illness, I don't think that like could
he reaffend? Yeah. But he'd have to be
willing to change it. Like if he started
telling people a different name and then
set up another company like he could
pull it off.
>> Yeah.
>> But I already use another name. She
already has another name. Nicole Weekly.
Yeah.
>> Weekly.
>> It's on her federal stuff. It's aka
Elizabeth Nicole Weekley.
>> [clears throat]
>> But so far, Marcus, although there are
some there are he's definitely
>> he's definitely caused some people
problems, but not it hasn't raised to
the level of charges like federal or
state charges other than the domestic
violence. Like I don't think he's stolen
any money. He's just given people a hard
time. If he [clears throat] has a hard
time with you,
>> he'll he'll file false claims against
you. He'll Yeah. All this stuff. And
he'll play the victim. He always plays
the victim. That's why like Andrew's
story is actually so important though
because his whole goal is to expose and
to educate everybody about her, which is
why, you know, I'm I'm not jealous that
I'm not going to be in the documentary,
but I think it's important that people
know cuz I'm hoping that if she does go
to prison and when she gets out, her
name will be not like it'll be Anna
Delby, but I'm [ __ ] it should be more
because if people know who she is
though, they won't
>> be so easy and eager to fall for it.
>> But again, it's one of those things
nobody here knows. 30.
>> 30. Oh, [ __ ]
>> She's a 15-year-old kid.
>> She's got a long
>> I know.
>> She has a long like like she'll go to
jail, get out.
>> Every person she meets is a victim. She
has a boyfriend right now. Like I think
they're going to get married and I'm
like so petrified for him.
>> Like what do you think it is? Can't she
just find a rich guy and just milk him
>> and just be that's not exciting. I I
think that she likes the excitement to
some degree. Like I just do. I've seen a
lot of the things that she's doing right
now. Like for example, she's slowly
paying May back, but she's being really
sketchy about it. Almost like she's
trying to set her up because we don't we
really don't know. And I'll be honest,
and I told May this. I told May to get a
lawyer and when I first became her
friend again, I said, "You I don't know
what you've done, what you knew." Yeah.
Under duress. Like that's cool, but like
that's just a defense. That doesn't
explain everything. Um so when it was
only the two charges, I was I was
thankful and I was relieved for May
because I was like, "Okay, they're not
going to look into anything more." So
even if you were like even Andrew
because there were moments I'm like
Andrew you stuck around for a little too
long my guy. You knew a little too much.
I don't know. It's giving me the
weirdness. Like that's why I went to the
police immediately. I was not going to
get caught up in that. I just have seen
it happen too many times.
>> Yeah. I was going to say it's funny
whenever we'll talk to people who are
like yeah I didn't you know um I knew
this and they told me that and then I I
wanted nothing to do with it. So then I
did this and this and this and I'm like
and I'm thinking, you know,
>> you should have called the police. But
people don't want to call the police.
They're like, "Oh, I don't want to be
that guy that turned him in that like,
no, but now guess what? Now you're being
charged as an accessory or after the
fact or you you hid things or you did
this or you didn't you should have gone
to the police to protect yourself. You
thought you were doing the right thing
and everybody thinks, well, you don't I
don't have to do I don't have to go to
the police." It's like, yeah, you do to
protect yourself.
>> You don't have to, but you're going to
regret that you don't
>> later. At least you you then stop it.
Like, look, as soon as I found out, I
went. That should be the kind of the the
>> the back and that you continued.
>> Oh, yeah. No, if I would have continued
and I had seen the bank statements and I
knew exactly like that we had been
involved with this, had used the money.
And like I have apologized to Richard
like I've met him multiple times now.
Every time I see him, he's like, "It's
always so weird to see you in person."
Like, and knowing that it wasn't you.
>> Mhm.
>> Cuz like it was just across a parking
lot. It's like a wave. Hey,
>> I don't know. And his kids hated me for
a long time. And you know, he just just
turned 78 and he was supposed to be
retiring this year and now I can't.
>> 78? You're retiring at 78? My god.
That's insane.
[snorts] I mean, I should have retired a
long time ago.
>> And now you're never retiring.
>> I'll never retire now. And he I mean,
and he knows it. Like they all know
they're never going to get their money
back.
>> Oh yeah, you're never the money's gone.
>> That's why I keep telling May I'm like,
May, stop engaging with her. Like she's
there's not a good reason in her brain
or her body that she's going to be in
communication with you. And it just it's
unfortunate. My mom keeps saying, "Can
you guys stop making friends with these
weirdos because it's costing me a lot of
money and you a lot of money?" Cuz I
mean, I've literally spent and it's
funny. I'll never get back. I never
liked to think that I was like a victim
before, but I surely have become her
project over the last year. And
that's why I have to just keep talking
about it now because every time I would
get quiet, she would win in her brain
and then it would start the cycle all
over again. And this time I just a
therapist told me I'm not allowed. I
have to continue forward. [laughter]
>> One of the things that I think is
important is so we were talking about
this because there's so many victims
that have no idea like number one the
reality is they're not going to ever get
like their money back.
>> Yeah. But something that was mentioned
is that people are considering writing
letters to Judge Barber, who is the
judge, that is ultimately going to be
sentencing her. And it's not necessarily
to like sway him one way or another, but
it's just so he has a full picture,
which is, I think, important. I mean,
even if they can't count the money
towards like the ultimate amount. I
mean, I think that it's important that
he knows exactly how many people
>> are actually involved,
>> right? [clears throat] Well, and the
problem is getting to all those people
because she's used so many different
types of or different names and things
you don't even know and there's
different platforms and
>> and that's the problem is that what we
realized is one of the reasons why we
went and hung up flyers which I'm not
very proud of that it was not my best
moment and I had to apologize which I
really hated do but um it's only the
social if people only on social media
know about this and even people on
social media did not make the connection
like when I started talking about it
>> people that have followed me for years
were like wait what you know this girl.
I'm like I literally yes I am the
connection I whatever. So it's just like
one of those things it's hard for people
to really understand until there's more
publicity which is why I was like I
loved when the podcast was out there. I
loved that they're doing a documentary.
I'm like the more publicity the better
because
>> So there So who's so somebody is doing a
documentary on
>> Yeah. Right now
>> it's the same people that did um
[snorts] this Tinder Swindler. Tinder
Swindler. We're having we're the
>> we're having a victim. We're having
we're having her the you know she um
Come on. What is it?
>> Cecil.
>> Yes.
>> I don't know anything about it. I just
know that that's
>> You've never seen it?
>> No. [snorts]
>> I can't watch that stuff now because I
have been swindled. Okay.
>> It's done. So I mean it's it is really
done well.
>> No. They wanted me to go on MTV Catfish.
>> Okay.
>> But I said no at the time cuz I was not
in the place that I could admit it. And
then when I finally admitted it, it was
within one week of me finding out about
Liz. It was just too much.
It was. And they because they sent
photos of me around. That's how I found
out. It was bad. It was bad.
>> So,
>> it's been a crazy year.
>> You still should see it. It's great.
>> Oh, I mean, I will
>> because here's why why it's good is that
they streamlined it so that because the
real the truth of what the guy did is so
overwhelmingly complicated with so many
different people. like
>> like Liz,
>> a lot like Liz, but he but they
streamlined it just down to a few
people. So when you hear about the few
people, you you now understand how this
could happen.
>> Yeah.
>> But if you really looked at the totality
of it, you'd see how many people are
involved and and so when you look at it,
you're like initially when you look at
it, you're thinking, okay, so this he
got her for 250,000, he got her for 300,
he got her for 120,000. like it's not
that much money, but in the end you
realize like no, it's like $6 million.
Like how is it $6 million? Because you
don't these are only three people he's
following. He's doing this. This is his
full-time gig.
>> What I never what I will never
understand. I would just love to ask her
these questions. Who all helps you?
There's no way that you're doing this on
your own. There's no pos.
You'd be shocked. She could be multiple
people.
>> Well, she Oh, well, she's made up law
firms. She made up doctor's offices. She
had Michael though sending emails for
her at one point.
And uh I definitely think that's part of
it. But like in order for her to be my
catfish, there has to be multiple people
involved. And one of the people that is
involved is abroad. So like the time I
just it makes no sense. When we're all
in a room together, how is she texting
Marcus? How is Marcus texting McKay if
we're all sitting there? Like I'm like
there's there's so many things I'm like
I just want to ask you. Let me ask you
one time and then I'll never talk to you
ever again.
>> We should have her on the program. Is
she arrested yet? Is she in jail? No,
she won't be ever. She's not gonna go.
She gets her pa next week. She's no
perf. She waved her indictment. She's
only getting charged by information and
she's pleading guilty the same day she's
getting first appearance.
>> We We should have her podcast. She get
Oh, she would love it. She'll
>> she could you imagine?
>> She'll never No, she'll just lie out her
ass.
>> She'll lie out the side of her face.
>> You know, everybody everybody deserves
to have their their version.
>> Exactly. We need We need Elizabeth
version.
>> Listen, you know what's funny? She used
to always get mad about the podcast
about her. She'd be like, "This story is
nothing without me. My version is the
only truth that matters and you'll never
get it." [laughter]
>> That's why I wanted her to have a lawyer
cuz I go, "Damn, maybe you could do
involved with a documentary and then the
proceeds could go to your victims."
>> She victims.
>> She just wants her story told
>> and documentary. She wanted to be on
>> anyway,
>> Teen Mom. But literally, when I say that
she's wanted to be famous forever, it
goes back that far.
>> She lied and said she was on birth
control and got pregnant and then
kidnapped the child. Well, you know how
she gets famous?
>> Coming on this podcast. Coming on this
[laughter] podcast. That's what you
need.
>> She gets famous because of Andrew.
Inventing Elizabeth.
>> Does that drive her down?
>> She's inventing Elizabeth Scamanda.
She's all like the really crazy ones all
mixed together.
>> Okay. So, let me ask you this. If
there's going to be a a documentary made
that I'm assuming is going to be on one
of these big streaming platforms, I
wonder if she kind of like Oh, yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. I wonder if she's kind
>> She loves it.
>> Yeah. I wonder if she is she
participating in that because of course
the the here's the thing because of
social media and because she's so out
there and you've and there's so much
there's so much um content out there
already they don't need her like the
Tinder like the guy I forget his name
but they didn't need I don't like you
know they try to get him like he's he's
not interested of course we don't need
you
>> they didn't even need me cuz they're
like we have all your [ __ ] already from
the podcast from your videos and that's
and that I told them I'm like go for it
I was going through the Florida bar
stuff at the times. My lawyer was like,
"Just
>> we all know this is false, but don't
like rile her up anymore."
>> But she
I don't know. I think that she would
love to get on here and just talk mad
[ __ ] but she'll lie. She doesn't I
don't think that she knows what the
truth is.
>> We need to call.
>> She has her like I mean,
>> what's her phone number? We need to call
her.
>> Shut your mouth. Call her right now.
>> First of all, I don't know her number.
She's added 47 of them. I've got over 19
me numbers for her in my phone. Okay.
Sent me like at least 10 more.
Like when I tell you like this is so
insanely deep. It's just craziness and
now she's got this little group of
minions. I'm like literally going to
write a book one day. It's going to be
called the parasocial parasites
because they have made it their mission
just cuz they hate Andrew
[clears throat] cuz they weren't picked
like they're little pick me girls.
They're the ones that made the the
merge,
>> right?
>> I'm like so is there any like profit?
Are you guys going to give us the
victims? No, no profit. I'm like I don't
believe you. Like why are you doing that
then? It's not like she's this gorgeous
model that you want her face on your
chest. Like what is happening here? It's
just make the stance.
There's this one girl. She'll come in
Andrew's lives and she'll be like, "Oh,
Rachel kicked the cop." I'm like, "Oh,
if that's the only thing you can say
about me, then I'm glad that I came out
and told the whole world because yes, I
did so I wouldn't die.
>> I corrupted I kid I kicked a corrupt cop
that was
>> trying to kill me that was basically um
kidnapping me."
>> She was like, "Oh, you're a racist."
Because I compared it to George Floyd
because she was sitting on my neck. I
could not breathe. And I it was right
around that same time. I'm like, I
wasn't comparing it in the same [snorts]
way, but when you're doing there and you
can't breathe, I was like, I'm about to
donkey kick the [ __ ] out of you in the
back of your head. And I sure did. And a
leather jumpsuit. It was horrifying.
>> You were in a leather jumpsuit.
>> It was New Year's Eve.
>> No, [laughter] the photos are You want
to see the photos are so bad.
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